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Last post 04-03-2008, 7:44 PM by prince. 88 replies.
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  •  10-23-2007, 3:34 AM 2510091

    exercise of freedom

    I believe that these bishops calling for the resignation of the president are responsible enough for the acts.  Calling the president at this early stage where there are no material evidence yet estabished on the alledged bayaran for the impeachment case is so premature and baseless.  The bishops calls on the resgnation for the ground of moral bankruptcy.  How could the moral be bankcrupt since morality is just yes or no and quantity is not involved.  Morality is qualitative.  Another bishop said the the people has lost trust in the government.  The claimed cannot be sufficed since there is no figure presented to really determined such mood of the people..
  •  01-15-2008, 7:33 AM 2628721 in reply to 2510091

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    If the church suggests that there is moral bankruptcy in the government, how about the priests who are accused of child molestation and pedophile or homosexuality? Is this a moral bankruptcy, too?

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  •  01-16-2008, 3:13 AM 2629249 in reply to 2628721

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    if there is moral bankcruptcy in philippines, that is because these priests failed in their mission...it's their mission to teach moral values to filipinos....they kept on blaming the government for the situation of the people, but whatever is the situation of the people is mainly because of the wrong values...these priest is blaming others for their failure....to our beloved priests....lead us not to hell....(not all of course)....ang mga maiingay lang sa pagsisi sa government who failed in their mission....ayaw aminin na sila ang dapat sisisihin dahi sa mababang moral values ng mga tao... to our priests...nag-iingay ba kayo sa mga pinalalabas sa mga television na kalaswaan...lead us not to hell fathers...
  •  01-16-2008, 7:35 AM 2629315 in reply to 2629249

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    IS THERE A NEED TO REALLY ATTACKED THE PRIESTS  ? 

    I HOPE NOT BECAUSE YOU BELONG TO ANOTHER RELIGION........HOPE NOT !

  •  01-17-2008, 1:43 AM 2629774 in reply to 2629315

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    I am a Roman Catholic and will always be....but I really think that ang mga maiingay na mga pari at mga obispo ay pinapasa sa iba ang kanilang failures... kung hindi palpak ang mga ito sa kanilang pagtuturo hindi magiging mababa ang moral values ng mga tao...it's high time that these priest should know that there are some who believe that their failure is a factor why we have moral bankcruptcy...it is my opinion and will remain as it is... i have yet to see them uplift the moral values of filipinos instead of blaming other for their failures...i hope they succeed in doing that..minsan para matauhan ang isang tao kailangan mong sampalin........
  •  01-30-2008, 9:59 PM 2641815 in reply to 2629774

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    Kuwagoo:
    I am a Roman Catholic and will always be....but I really think that ang mga maiingay na mga pari at mga obispo ay pinapasa sa iba ang kanilang failures... kung hindi palpak ang mga ito sa kanilang pagtuturo hindi magiging mababa ang moral values ng mga tao...it's high time that these priest should know that there are some who believe that their failure is a factor why we have moral bankcruptcy...it is my opinion and will remain as it is... i have yet to see them uplift the moral values of filipinos instead of blaming other for their failures...i hope they succeed in doing that..minsan para matauhan ang isang tao kailangan mong sampalin........
    kahit anong sampal at sermon ng pari pagdating sa corruption ng mga pinoy hindi tatalab iyan....totoo naman na accepted ang corruption life sa pinas....
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  •  01-31-2008, 3:20 AM 2642004 in reply to 2641815

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    prince:
    Kuwagoo:
    I am a Roman Catholic and will always be....but I really think that ang mga maiingay na mga pari at mga obispo ay pinapasa sa iba ang kanilang failures... kung hindi palpak ang mga ito sa kanilang pagtuturo hindi magiging mababa ang moral values ng mga tao...it's high time that these priest should know that there are some who believe that their failure is a factor why we have moral bankcruptcy...it is my opinion and will remain as it is... i have yet to see them uplift the moral values of filipinos instead of blaming other for their failures...i hope they succeed in doing that..minsan para matauhan ang isang tao kailangan mong sampalin........
    kahit anong sampal at sermon ng pari pagdating sa corruption ng mga pinoy hindi tatalab iyan....totoo naman na accepted ang corruption life sa pinas....

    ang dapat matauhan ay mga paring walang ginawa kung hindi isisi sa iba ang kanilang kakulangan....role ng mga pari ang pagturo ng tamang moralidad sa mga sinasakupan nila...they failed in doing that...kaya maraming immoralidad ang mga nangyayari...corruption might be common but should not be accepted as a way of life...kaya kung may ebidensiya kayo sa corruption kailangan i-akusa nyo sa korte....

  •  01-31-2008, 8:52 PM 2642673 in reply to 2642004

    Re: exercise of freedom

    Kuwagoo:

    prince:
    Kuwagoo:
    I am a Roman Catholic and will always be....but I really think that ang mga maiingay na mga pari at mga obispo ay pinapasa sa iba ang kanilang failures... kung hindi palpak ang mga ito sa kanilang pagtuturo hindi magiging mababa ang moral values ng mga tao...it's high time that these priest should know that there are some who believe that their failure is a factor why we have moral bankcruptcy...it is my opinion and will remain as it is... i have yet to see them uplift the moral values of filipinos instead of blaming other for their failures...i hope they succeed in doing that..minsan para matauhan ang isang tao kailangan mong sampalin........
    kahit anong sampal at sermon ng pari pagdating sa corruption ng mga pinoy hindi tatalab iyan....totoo naman na accepted ang corruption life sa pinas....

    ang dapat matauhan ay mga paring walang ginawa kung hindi isisi sa iba ang kanilang kakulangan....role ng mga pari ang pagturo ng tamang moralidad sa mga sinasakupan nila...they failed in doing that...kaya maraming immoralidad ang mga nangyayari...corruption might be common but should not be accepted as a way of life...kaya kung may ebidensiya kayo sa corruption kailangan i-akusa nyo sa korte....

    ang tigabigay ng sermon ay hindi dapat i blame, si Jesus nga ipinako at namatay na....may nabago ba sa tao? iyong corruption at greed ang problema, walang gustong ayusin ito sa pilipinas, puro dada at denial...corruption is a way of life sa pinas! and that's the truth!
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  •  01-31-2008, 8:55 PM 2642677 in reply to 2628721

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    philprovince:
    If the church suggests that there is moral bankruptcy in the government, how about the priests who are accused of child molestation and pedophile or homosexuality? Is this a moral bankruptcy, too?

    ang pinagkaiba ay may ginawang process at nailagay sa korte at mayroong bagong batas sa loob ng simbahan...plus iyong mga whistle blower hindi pinapatay....sa corruption under gma, walang nahuhuli, mayroon na papardon....sinong mas malala?


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  •  02-01-2008, 2:20 AM 2642906 in reply to 2642673

    Re: exercise of freedom

    prince:
    Kuwagoo:

    prince:
    Kuwagoo:
    I am a Roman Catholic and will always be....but I really think that ang mga maiingay na mga pari at mga obispo ay pinapasa sa iba ang kanilang failures... kung hindi palpak ang mga ito sa kanilang pagtuturo hindi magiging mababa ang moral values ng mga tao...it's high time that these priest should know that there are some who believe that their failure is a factor why we have moral bankcruptcy...it is my opinion and will remain as it is... i have yet to see them uplift the moral values of filipinos instead of blaming other for their failures...i hope they succeed in doing that..minsan para matauhan ang isang tao kailangan mong sampalin........
    kahit anong sampal at sermon ng pari pagdating sa corruption ng mga pinoy hindi tatalab iyan....totoo naman na accepted ang corruption life sa pinas....

    ang dapat matauhan ay mga paring walang ginawa kung hindi isisi sa iba ang kanilang kakulangan....role ng mga pari ang pagturo ng tamang moralidad sa mga sinasakupan nila...they failed in doing that...kaya maraming immoralidad ang mga nangyayari...corruption might be common but should not be accepted as a way of life...kaya kung may ebidensiya kayo sa corruption kailangan i-akusa nyo sa korte....

    ang tigabigay ng sermon ay hindi dapat i blame, si Jesus nga ipinako at namatay na....may nabago ba sa tao? iyong corruption at greed ang problema, walang gustong ayusin ito sa pilipinas, puro dada at denial...corruption is a way of life sa pinas! and that's the truth!

    ang problema, karamihan nag-iisip na lahat ay corrupt, kaya okay lang ang corruption....kaya nga sabi ko....CORRURUPTION AS A WAY OF LIFE SHOULD NOT BE ACCEPTED....intindihan mo?....it is the ROLE OF THE PRIEST TO UPLIFT THE MORAL VALUES....and they are failing.....kaya ...DAPAT MAGISING SILA......intindihan mo????haaa????susmeeoo

  •  02-01-2008, 3:42 AM 2642961 in reply to 2642906

    Re: exercise of freedom

    Kuwagoo:
    prince:
    Kuwagoo:

    prince:
    Kuwagoo:
    I am a Roman Catholic and will always be....but I really think that ang mga maiingay na mga pari at mga obispo ay pinapasa sa iba ang kanilang failures... kung hindi palpak ang mga ito sa kanilang pagtuturo hindi magiging mababa ang moral values ng mga tao...it's high time that these priest should know that there are some who believe that their failure is a factor why we have moral bankcruptcy...it is my opinion and will remain as it is... i have yet to see them uplift the moral values of filipinos instead of blaming other for their failures...i hope they succeed in doing that..minsan para matauhan ang isang tao kailangan mong sampalin........
    kahit anong sampal at sermon ng pari pagdating sa corruption ng mga pinoy hindi tatalab iyan....totoo naman na accepted ang corruption life sa pinas....

    ang dapat matauhan ay mga paring walang ginawa kung hindi isisi sa iba ang kanilang kakulangan....role ng mga pari ang pagturo ng tamang moralidad sa mga sinasakupan nila...they failed in doing that...kaya maraming immoralidad ang mga nangyayari...corruption might be common but should not be accepted as a way of life...kaya kung may ebidensiya kayo sa corruption kailangan i-akusa nyo sa korte....

    ang tigabigay ng sermon ay hindi dapat i blame, si Jesus nga ipinako at namatay na....may nabago ba sa tao? iyong corruption at greed ang problema, walang gustong ayusin ito sa pilipinas, puro dada at denial...corruption is a way of life sa pinas! and that's the truth!

    ang problema, karamihan nag-iisip na lahat ay corrupt, kaya okay lang ang corruption....kaya nga sabi ko....CORRURUPTION AS A WAY OF LIFE SHOULD NOT BE ACCEPTED....intindihan mo?....it is the ROLE OF THE PRIEST TO UPLIFT THE MORAL VALUES....and they are failing.....kaya ...DAPAT MAGISING SILA......intindihan mo????haaa????susmeeoo

    ang role ng tagapakinig ay makinig at sundin, so dont blame the priest, blame the corrupt people---who actually doing the bad things! get mo? kung failure ang simbahan, bakit up to now survive pa rin ang institution nila? kung failure sila, edi iboycott na lang sila kung wala talaga silang pakinabang....problema ay ang corruption, hindi ang mga pari....get mo?
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  •  02-01-2008, 2:09 PM 2643243 in reply to 2642961

    Re: exercise of freedom

    prince:
    Kuwagoo:
    prince:
    Kuwagoo:

    prince:
    Kuwagoo:
    I am a Roman Catholic and will always be....but I really think that ang mga maiingay na mga pari at mga obispo ay pinapasa sa iba ang kanilang failures... kung hindi palpak ang mga ito sa kanilang pagtuturo hindi magiging mababa ang moral values ng mga tao...it's high time that these priest should know that there are some who believe that their failure is a factor why we have moral bankcruptcy...it is my opinion and will remain as it is... i have yet to see them uplift the moral values of filipinos instead of blaming other for their failures...i hope they succeed in doing that..minsan para matauhan ang isang tao kailangan mong sampalin........
    kahit anong sampal at sermon ng pari pagdating sa corruption ng mga pinoy hindi tatalab iyan....totoo naman na accepted ang corruption life sa pinas....

    ang dapat matauhan ay mga paring walang ginawa kung hindi isisi sa iba ang kanilang kakulangan....role ng mga pari ang pagturo ng tamang moralidad sa mga sinasakupan nila...they failed in doing that...kaya maraming immoralidad ang mga nangyayari...corruption might be common but should not be accepted as a way of life...kaya kung may ebidensiya kayo sa corruption kailangan i-akusa nyo sa korte....

    ang tigabigay ng sermon ay hindi dapat i blame, si Jesus nga ipinako at namatay na....may nabago ba sa tao? iyong corruption at greed ang problema, walang gustong ayusin ito sa pilipinas, puro dada at denial...corruption is a way of life sa pinas! and that's the truth!

    ang problema, karamihan nag-iisip na lahat ay corrupt, kaya okay lang ang corruption....kaya nga sabi ko....CORRURUPTION AS A WAY OF LIFE SHOULD NOT BE ACCEPTED....intindihan mo?....it is the ROLE OF THE PRIEST TO UPLIFT THE MORAL VALUES....and they are failing.....kaya ...DAPAT MAGISING SILA......intindihan mo????haaa????susmeeoo

    ang role ng tagapakinig ay makinig at sundin, so dont blame the priest, blame the corrupt people---who actually doing the bad things! get mo? kung failure ang simbahan, bakit up to now survive pa rin ang institution nila? kung failure sila, edi iboycott na lang sila kung wala talaga silang pakinabang....problema ay ang corruption, hindi ang mga pari....get mo?

    bakit may corrupt politicians?....dahil may corrupt voters...bakit may corrupt voters?...dahil mababa ang moral values....who should teach people on morality?....is it the corrupt politician?...is it the government?....ano ba ang tinututuro sa simbahan?.....kung hindi nasusunod ang turo sa simbahan...sino ang may kasalanan...ang tinuturuan o ang nagtuturo...kung hindi nila kayang turuan ang mga mamayan..they have failed..sino ngayon sisihin mo sa failures ng mga pari?...ang coruption?.....susmeooo 

  •  02-01-2008, 2:20 PM 2643253 in reply to 2643243

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    Note:...I only criticize the failures of some priest...those who blame others for their failures...I am a catholic and follow the teachings and guidance of the priests who are responsible and true apostles of Christ....hindi yung mga madaldal na akala mo sila na lamang ang walang failures...inuuna pa ang politics kesa trabaho nila...madali lang kasi isisi sa iba ang kakulangan ng isang tao...
  •  02-02-2008, 2:56 AM 2643794 in reply to 2643253

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    Kuwagoo:
    Note:...I only criticize the failures of some priest...those who blame others for their failures...I am a catholic and follow the teachings and guidance of the priests who are responsible and true apostles of Christ....hindi yung mga madaldal na akala mo sila na lamang ang walang failures...inuuna pa ang politics kesa trabaho nila...madali lang kasi isisi sa iba ang kakulangan ng isang tao...
    sinabi mo about apostles of Christ, so kung failure ang tigaturo para mo na rin sinabing failure si Jesus....pero kung iisipin mo, iyong gumagawa ng masama ang dapat sugpuin like the corrupt officials, sila ang tunay na salot at hindi ang tigabigay ng sermon...plus ang sermon ay hindi sapilitan, pero kapag ang govt ay gumawa ng batas at iyon ay gawing tama at umaksyon laban sa corruption....mas macocontrol natin ang corruption...ok sana kung hindi totoo ang sinasabi ng mga pari kaso totoo eh....iyong govt nga walang magawa, may army pa yan eh ang pari tuwing linggo at wala pang isang oras na sermon....ang totoong failure ay ang gov't....
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  •  02-03-2008, 4:29 AM 2644641 in reply to 2643794

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    prince:
    Kuwagoo:
    Note:...I only criticize the failures of some priest...those who blame others for their failures...I am a catholic and follow the teachings and guidance of the priests who are responsible and true apostles of Christ....hindi yung mga madaldal na akala mo sila na lamang ang walang failures...inuuna pa ang politics kesa trabaho nila...madali lang kasi isisi sa iba ang kakulangan ng isang tao...
    sinabi mo about apostles of Christ, so kung failure ang tigaturo para mo na rin sinabing failure si Jesus....pero kung iisipin mo, iyong gumagawa ng masama ang dapat sugpuin like the corrupt officials, sila ang tunay na salot at hindi ang tigabigay ng sermon...plus ang sermon ay hindi sapilitan, pero kapag ang govt ay gumawa ng batas at iyon ay gawing tama at umaksyon laban sa corruption....mas macocontrol natin ang corruption...ok sana kung hindi totoo ang sinasabi ng mga pari kaso totoo eh....iyong govt nga walang magawa, may army pa yan eh ang pari tuwing linggo at wala pang isang oras na sermon....ang totoong failure ay ang gov't....

    ANG PINAG-UUSAPAN AY ANG MORAL BANKRUPTCY...KAYA MARAMING CORRUPT DAHIL MORALLY BANKCRUPT DAW SABI NG MGA PARING MAIINGAY...SINO SISIHIN MO SA "MORAL BANKRUPTCY"???? MABABANG MORALIDAD..CORRUPTION IS THE  RESULT OF LOW MORAL VALUES...SIGE, SISIHIN MO ANG NAGING RESULTA ...YOU CAN ONLY BLAME THE CAUSE BUT NOT THE EFFECT...EWAN KO SA IYO KUNG PAANO MO SISIHIN ANG RESULTA?...

  •  02-03-2008, 3:00 PM 2644916 in reply to 2644641

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    are you talking about the cause and effect? lets use the analogy na let say 10 commandments, basic rule of God "do not steal", pero nag steal pa rin ang tao...do we persecute God? do we blame God for the failures? no no hosey.....isa pa adan and eve.....hindi sila sumunod kahit inutos pa ng Dios....ang Dios ba ang sisihin natin? nope.....sino bang nakukulong? iyong criminal ba na gumawa ng kasalanan or iyong magulang na nagpalaki sa criminal? tama na kase ang palusot, just accept responsibility and accountability....in short DO SOMETHING! FIX IT!
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  •  02-04-2008, 4:09 AM 2645523 in reply to 2644916

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    prince:
    are you talking about the cause and effect? lets use the analogy na let say 10 commandments, basic rule of God "do not steal", pero nag steal pa rin ang tao...do we persecute God? do we blame God for the failures? no no hosey.....isa pa adan and eve.....hindi sila sumunod kahit inutos pa ng Dios....ang Dios ba ang sisihin natin? nope.....sino bang nakukulong? iyong criminal ba na gumawa ng kasalanan or iyong magulang na nagpalaki sa criminal? tama na kase ang palusot, just accept responsibility and accountability....in short DO SOMETHING! FIX IT!

    Kung teacher ka at hindi mo kayang turuan ang estudyante....kaninong failures yon?....failures ba ng estudyante?....sino ngayon sisihin mo? ang estudyante  o teacher na hindi marunong magturo?...kung tingnan mo ang nangyayari,  sinisisi ng mga maiingay na pari ang iba sa kakulangan nila...it's a very convenient excuse of one's failure...We even hear priests saying...." nagawa niya ang ganyang kasalanan dahil sa kahirapan!"...is justifying a wrong thing morally good?...and from a priest at that?...If somebody hears that from a priest, lahat ng kasalanan ay okay nang gawin....Don't get me wrong ,I am not  against all priest....Im only against  those who blame someone else for their failures...

    when did God taught not to steal?....baka Messenger nya?.....susmeeee...

  •  02-04-2008, 4:16 AM 2645525 in reply to 2645523

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    In Philippines, especially in Roman Catholics, traditionaly, priest are given the role of moral counselor of his parishioners, if the parishioners have low moral values, sino may pagkukulang?... 

  •  02-04-2008, 4:31 AM 2645528 in reply to 2645525

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    Cause & effect.... what is the cause we are talking about?....it is the LOW MORAL VALUE..(the main reason why priest said there is moral bankruptcy)

    What is the RESULT we are talking about?.....it is the CORRUPTION....

    SOLUTION:

    YOU ELIMINATE THE CAUSE AND CORRUPTION WILL BE SOLVED...SIMPLY LANG DI BA?....

    NOW THE BIG QUESTION>>>WHO CAN HELP ELIMINATE THE CAUSE?

    ANSWER: I KNOW ONE WHO CAN HELP....

    >>>>>>>MORAL COUNSELORS (IN ROMAN CATHOLICS, THESE ARE THE PRIESTS)

  •  02-04-2008, 10:11 AM 2645605 in reply to 2645523

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    Kuwagoo:

    prince:
    are you talking about the cause and effect? lets use the analogy na let say 10 commandments, basic rule of God "do not steal", pero nag steal pa rin ang tao...do we persecute God? do we blame God for the failures? no no hosey.....isa pa adan and eve.....hindi sila sumunod kahit inutos pa ng Dios....ang Dios ba ang sisihin natin? nope.....sino bang nakukulong? iyong criminal ba na gumawa ng kasalanan or iyong magulang na nagpalaki sa criminal? tama na kase ang palusot, just accept responsibility and accountability....in short DO SOMETHING! FIX IT!

    Kung teacher ka at hindi mo kayang turuan ang estudyante....kaninong failures yon?....failures ba ng estudyante?....sino ngayon sisihin mo? ang estudyante  o teacher na hindi marunong magturo?...kung tingnan mo ang nangyayari,  sinisisi ng mga maiingay na pari ang iba sa kakulangan nila...it's a very convenient excuse of one's failure...We even hear priests saying...." nagawa niya ang ganyang kasalanan dahil sa kahirapan!"...is justifying a wrong thing morally good?...and from a priest at that?...If somebody hears that from a priest, lahat ng kasalanan ay okay nang gawin....Don't get me wrong ,I am not  against all priest....Im only against  those who blame someone else for their failures...

    when did God taught not to steal?....baka Messenger nya?.....susmeeee...

    so bottom line failure ang dios mo? kung ganyan ang analogy mo? just accept the fact na may mga taong masama talaga, kahit ilang sermon at sampal ang gawin mo masama talaga dahil mas malakas ang tukso ng kapangyarihan pang lupa at pera. hindi failure ng mga pari kundi sa mga mababa ang pananalampataya. let say panay rosario m at pagsimba mo, nagpepenitensya ka pa araw araw pero you dont give up your greed....pari pa rin ba ang may kasalanan? iyong mga pari ang huwag mong tirahin, iyong mga masasama, sila ang totoong problema...

    bosing sa tagalog mo na lang sabihin when did God not to steal? sabi mo catholic ka tapos hindi mo alam sagot based sa paniniwala mo?


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