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  •  04-29-2007, 2:52 PM 2273231

    english as the medium of instruction, which side are you on?

    President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo has categorically instructed the Department of Education (DepEd) to return to the use of English as the medium of instruction in the Philippine schools. This has stirred adverse reactions from academicians, linguists and nationalists lambasting it as a betrayal of Filipino nationhood.

    In my honest opinion and as a Filipino working and living in US, I spoke with a lot of  immigrants from other countries(poland, russia, korea, china, vietnam, japan, norway, sweden, germany, nigeria, haiti, etc) that they wish that they can speak english like the filipinos do... I think it is an advantage, and it is not an issue of lack of nationalism, it is just plain additional knowledge and skill...I myself wish I can speak fluent spanish, since latino's are the fastest growing population here in US...The board/english exams was lot easier for me, thanks to my english teachers in the PI. My transition of studying here in the US, was not bad at all, I was able to catch up with the americans, again thanks for my english knowledge. I saved thousands of dollars and time, when I took the exam and pass the interview process so I can skip the ESL class for foreign students, not bad  ha, from a guy fresh from the boat. Can someone explain to me the bad side of knowing english?


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  •  04-29-2007, 10:31 PM 2274223 in reply to 2273231

    Re: english as the medium of instruction, which side are you on?

    prince:

    President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo has categorically instructed the Department of Education (DepEd) to return to the use of English as the medium of instruction in the Philippine schools. This has stirred adverse reactions from academicians, linguists and nationalists lambasting it as a betrayal of Filipino nationhood.

    In my honest opinion and as a Filipino working and living in US, I spoke with a lot of  immigrants from other countries(poland, russia, korea, china, vietnam, japan, norway, sweden, germany, nigeria, haiti, etc) that they wish that they can speak english like the filipinos do... I think it is an advantage, and it is not an issue of lack of nationalism, it is just plain additional knowledge and skill...I myself wish I can speak fluent spanish, since latino's are the fastest growing population here in US...The board/english exams was lot easier for me, thanks to my english teachers in the PI. My transition of studying here in the US, was not bad at all, I was able to catch up with the americans, again thanks for my english knowledge. I saved thousands of dollars and time, when I took the exam and pass the interview process so I can skip the ESL class for foreign students, not bad  ha, from a guy fresh from the boat. Can someone explain to me the bad side of knowing english?

    Yep. These are the same "nationalistic" shytheads who wanted to kick the Americans out of Subic and Clark without having a plan in place (ehem, they still don't) to defend the country's sovereignty in case we get attacked. "Taglish" or "Pilipino" aint worth crap outside of Philippine borders. You seen any ads for Pilipino tutors lately? On the other hand...  big demand for English instructors in places like China, Korea, Thailand, etc. Filipino pilots should refuse to land in foreign airports unless they allow Pilipino as the medium for air traffic control.


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  •  04-30-2007, 3:58 AM 2274864 in reply to 2274223

    Re: english as the medium of instruction, which side are you on?

    English is a Universal language spoken throughout the World . To know how to read, write & speak English is a HUGE advantage for Pilipinos.

    Millions of Pilipinos are already living all over the world & millions more are planning to immigrate. If you know English, you wont have problem looking for job, living with the locals, having friends specially if you plan to live in USA and Europe.

    To learn a language like English, Spanish or Chinese is a big plus to anyone. There is nothing wrong speaking other languages, it is a skill, the more language you can speak, the better.

    There are always people who are against everything, political critics & party enemies of the sitting President. It is human nature na parating may mga contra-bidang mga tao anywhere in the world. They always look at the negative side….never on the positive on how it will benefit the new generation who are the future leaders of our country.

    When I was young, I learned English just like everyone else of my generation from grades one to college. When I graduated from college with a degree in Education, I started teaching my students in return exactly the same way my former teachers has taught me. I taught them using English inside the classroom.

    When I immigrated to USA, I have no problem looking for job because I know the language. I have adjusted very well in living in another country. I am thankful that I learned English when I started school from first grade to college.

    Using English as medium of instruction is a big plus to the students. Children learns fast, it takes years to learn and perfect the English language. I used English as the medium of instruction when I was teaching there long time ago. I say this…..the kids has no problem with it. Using English specially teaching Science Class, Chemistry & Math is very beneficial to the kids. The terminology & scientific names of plants & animals , the equations & chemistry & math is much more easier to explain in plain English .

    My ex-students are now good members of the community with an outstanding skill of speaking 3 languages which is a big plus in their daily lives…..English, Tagalog & their local dialect.

    I for one would like to learn as many languages as I can. I speak little bit of Spanish. I interact every day with different nationalities who speaks different languages. From them, I learn a little of French, Chinese, Italian…It is very interesting but quite hard to speak it. It is a skill……that is why people who speaks different languages becomes INTERPRETER in the United Nations…..Not everyone can speak multiple languages. Interpreters are paid WELL.

    Knowledge is power…..speaking another language is always a plus. Learning is a never ending process……you continue to learn new  things every day of your life……the world changes…..you have to keep up with the changing times.  Big Smile    Big Smile

     

     



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  •  04-30-2007, 5:01 AM 2274927 in reply to 2274864

    Re: english as the medium of instruction, which side are you on?

    "Taglish" or "Pilipino" aint worth crap outside of Philippine borders. You seen any ads for Pilipino tutors lately? . Filipino pilots should refuse to land in foreign airports unless they allow Pilipino as the medium for air traffic control.

    Quote: Palahubug

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    I have noticed that most newcomers here in States have problem with their English. They have problem communicating with the Americans….Americans can not understand what they are saying…..Kung mag-English sila ay halong tagalog at English. They can not express what they want to say in English.

    Some of the Americans at work always ask me to interpret what they are saying. I can not believe it myself . I came across & met quite a few of them at work . They have told me why they are having problem with their English. As an ex-school teacher, I feel so sorry for them, I wish I could help them.

    This are the new generations of pinoys who were taught in tagalog as medium of instructions in school.

    When they immigrated to USA…..they have communications problems & assimilating with the people….This is the outcome of using Tagalog as medium of instructions. A big Flap .

    I welcome the suggestion of Pres. Arroyo to bring back English as the medium of instructions in schools in the Philippines. It will benefit the young generations specially if they plan to live in another country like USA and Europe after they graduate from school.



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  •  04-30-2007, 12:12 PM 2275463 in reply to 2273231

    Re: english as the medium of instruction, which side are you on?

    the change of english as medium of instruction to pilipino (tagalog) in schools begun in the late 80's when the public schools became national schools, lack of books and other resources. english is a huge advantage for everyone wether you are in your own country moreso if you are working or living outside the country. marami ang nakapuna na bumaba ang kalidad ng mga filipinong  magsalita ng english. kundi bulol nagkakabuhol-buhol ang dila nila. they can't speak fluent english so kelangan sabayan ng sign language para maunawaan ng kausap ang sinasabi nila. whatta mess.. speaking english was an advantage for me while working in hongkong and now that i moved to the United States i just need to improve my accent. many whom i've talked  tells that my english is good ( isn't it amazing to know that we filipinos are good in speaking english) and they asked  where did i learn english? thanks to my high school english teacher giving me role in english drama, essay and poem writing and sometimes send me to compete in other schools. it was also my first year in college when they dropped spanish dahil daw wala namang spanish people sa pilipinas bakit pa kelangan pag-aralan. i'm still lucky to learn spanish in fourth year high school and i'm thankful for that because here in the United States, latinos are many and its nice that we can relate to other nationalities via their language. i  speak a little cantonese  whom i learn while in hongkong, a little of spanish aside from tagalog, ilokano, ifugao and gaddang.

  •  05-03-2007, 2:55 PM 2283392 in reply to 2275463

    Re: english as the medium of instruction, which side are you on?

    Immigrant Pilipinos in general has different way of pronouncing English, it is so different from the way Americans pronounced their English. This is where we need a lot of improvement, getting rid of our pinoy accents.  Big Smile

    Practice makes it perfect. If you are here in America, practice speaking english with Americans. Talk to them everyday to improved your speaking skill and you will gradually lose your pinoy accent & eventually acquired theirs. The most important thing is not to imitate their accent but to speak clearly, pronouncing & enunciating the words properly so you could be understood.

    It is a big plus just by talking to them daily, you learn from them. I learned how to speak their "Slangs". Americans does not actually speak grammatically correct english sentences because whey they talk, it is mix with some slang words . If you are not familiar with their slangs words, you may have trouble understanding what they are saying.

    Here are some examples of american slangs words used in sentences. They have different meanings depending on the situation & topic of conversation  and how they say it. In Hollywood movies, they use a lot of slangs in their dialogs.

    1. What say you ?  ---- meaning what do you have to say ?

    2. When I was your age, I flipped burgers . ---- meaning I cooked hamburgers

    3. What's your bag, man ? ----meaning what is your problem ?

    4. Who bagged my bike ? --- meaning who stole or took my bike.

    5. This party is a drag, let's bail ------- meaning the party is boring, let's leave.

    6.  Later dude, I have to go ----- meaning goodbye

    7.  That sucks ! --- meaning that is terrible

    8. There are plenty of wetbacks in California --- meaning illegal immigrants or aliens

    We learn new things , new words, new languages through our experiences and interactions with other people. Learning is a never ending process.

     

     



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  •  05-03-2007, 8:54 PM 2284013 in reply to 2283392

    Re: english as the medium of instruction, which side are you on?

    Tinker:

    Immigrant Pilipinos in general has different way of pronouncing English, it is so different from the way Americans pronounced their English. This is where we need a lot of improvement, getting rid of our pinoy accents.  Big Smile

    Practice makes it perfect. If you are here in America, practice speaking english with Americans. Talk to them everyday to improved your speaking skill and you will gradually lose your pinoy accent & eventually acquired theirs. The most important thing is not to imitate their accent but to speak clearly, pronouncing & enunciating the words properly so you could be understood.

    It is a big plus just by talking to them daily, you learn from them. I learned how to speak their "Slangs". Americans does not actually speak grammatically correct english sentences because whey they talk, it is mix with some slang words . If you are not familiar with their slangs words, you may have trouble understanding what they are saying.

    Here are some examples of american slangs words used in sentences. They have different meanings depending on the situation & topic of conversation  and how they say it. In Hollywood movies, they use a lot of slangs in their dialogs.

    1. What say you ?  ---- meaning what do you have to say ?

    2. When I was your age, I flipped burgers . ---- meaning I cooked hamburgers

    3. What's your bag, man ? ----meaning what is your problem ?

    4. Who bagged my bike ? --- meaning who stole or took my bike.

    5. This party is a drag, let's bail ------- meaning the party is boring, let's leave.

    6.  Later dude, I have to go ----- meaning goodbye

    7.  That sucks ! --- meaning that is terrible

    8. There are plenty of wetbacks in California --- meaning illegal immigrants or aliens

    We learn new things , new words, new languages through our experiences and interactions with other people. Learning is a never ending process.

     

     

    hahaha...you are already teaching pinoys/flips how to talk street lingo's, slangs, and ebonics...cute if you use it in public, but in schools and work, they don't talk this way...be aware that there are different cultures, each of them have their own slangs...there are also slangs from the east coast, west coast, south(rednecks), and midwesterners...my personal favorite are the slang of the black community, really cool! too bad , you can't use it in formal writings and presentations...The funny thing for pinoys last name, they sounds cool when you change the pronounciation into slang...example---RAMOS...matigas at diretso...pero pag tate na....REYMOS....malandi at malumanay....hahahahaha....those pinoys laugh when other pinoys buking their true pronounciation...hahahaha....

     

    best advice, try to speak slow and clear, watch a lot of tv, or even better take some english class...


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  •  05-03-2007, 11:47 PM 2284292 in reply to 2284013

    Re: english as the medium of instruction, which side are you on?

    it is accepted that filipino students need to improve on their english skills. however, has anyone thought about the present students who are victims of a vague language policy? and still some teachers also have poor english skills. 

     

    . it would be better if they focused on better overall education quality. a greater problem for us here is the declining quality of instruction in science and mathematics.  and some studies of deped actually point out that these subjects stand a better chance to be understood when taught in the native language. i do not know however if that view still stands.  anyway, english is indeed necessary but requiring it as a medium of instruction alone will not solve the problem of declining quality of english fluency in the philippines which in the first place is caused by declining quality of education.  GMA's piecemeal reforms won't work. just look at Usec. Hidalgo.  the politicians like to brag about how many classrooms have been constructed, how many books were bought, how many teachers were hired, how many scholars they have.  but the problem is of quality not quantity.

  •  05-04-2007, 1:01 AM 2284480 in reply to 2284292

    Re: english as the medium of instruction, which side are you on?

    mikhael07:

    it is accepted that filipino students need to improve on their english skills. however, has anyone thought about the present students who are victims of a vague language policy? and still some teachers also have poor english skills. 

     

    . it would be better if they focused on better overall education quality. a greater problem for us here is the declining quality of instruction in science and mathematics.  and some studies of deped actually point out that these subjects stand a better chance to be understood when taught in the native language. i do not know however if that view still stands.  anyway, english is indeed necessary but requiring it as a medium of instruction alone will not solve the problem of declining quality of english fluency in the philippines which in the first place is caused by declining quality of education.  GMA's piecemeal reforms won't work. just look at Usec. Hidalgo.  the politicians like to brag about how many classrooms have been constructed, how many books were bought, how many teachers were hired, how many scholars they have.  but the problem is of quality not quantity.

    you said it alright, no offense but your writing alone need improvement...you mentioned quality education... i think the gov't got the idea right, as a starter you need more teachers, classrooms, books, computers, etc...but of course these teachers need continuing ed for their own professional improvement...need more studies to be done to figure out what else is needed in order to excel PI level of education. So far, as my own personal experience, my foundation of english language helped me a lot to transcend to my schooling and profession here in the US...thanks for my english prof...i wish i took you guys more seriously, and spend more time learning....anyway, thanks a lot!
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  •  05-04-2007, 1:24 AM 2284540 in reply to 2284480

    Re: english as the medium of instruction, which side are you on?

    prince:
    mikhael07:

    it is accepted that filipino students need to improve on their english skills. however, has anyone thought about the present students who are victims of a vague language policy? and still some teachers also have poor english skills. 

     

    . it would be better if they focused on better overall education quality. a greater problem for us here is the declining quality of instruction in science and mathematics.  and some studies of deped actually point out that these subjects stand a better chance to be understood when taught in the native language. i do not know however if that view still stands.  anyway, english is indeed necessary but requiring it as a medium of instruction alone will not solve the problem of declining quality of english fluency in the philippines which in the first place is caused by declining quality of education.  GMA's piecemeal reforms won't work. just look at Usec. Hidalgo.  the politicians like to brag about how many classrooms have been constructed, how many books were bought, how many teachers were hired, how many scholars they have.  but the problem is of quality not quantity.

    you said it alright, no offense but your writing alone need improvement...you mentioned quality education... i think the gov't got the idea right, as a starter you need more teachers, classrooms, books, computers, etc...but of course these teachers need continuing ed for their own professional improvement...need more studies to be done to figure out what else is needed in order to excel PI level of education. So far, as my own personal experience, my foundation of english language helped me a lot to transcend to my schooling and profession here in the US...thanks for my english prof...i wish i took you guys more seriously, and spend more time learning....anyway, thanks a lot!

    I wish to thank the lots and lots of TV I watched as a kid. Otherwise, I would have had a bytch of a time understanding the linggo. Even with a near-perfect TOEFL score, it still took me a couple of years to be comfortable with American slang and strike up random conversations with whites on the streets of USA.


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  •  05-04-2007, 3:51 AM 2284697 in reply to 2284013

    Re: english as the medium of instruction, which side are you on?

    Big SmileThe funny thing for pinoys last name, they sounds cool when you change the pronounciation into slang...example---RAMOS...matigas at diretso...pero pag tate na....REYMOS....malandi at malumanay....hahahahaha....those pinoys laugh when other pinoys buking their true pronounciation...hahahaha....

    quote from prince

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    On the lighter side of this topic.....hehehe....you are right Prince.....Americans have a hard time pronouncing our pinoy names because most of them is in Spanish......so either they pronounced it with funny accent or they actually change it to :

    Example:   Jose becomes Joe, Pedro to Peter, Juan to John, Rosa to Rose, Maria to Mary.  Here's a funny one......SantaMaria ------ they usually say, what the heck is that name ?  hehehe.......translation........Saint Mary.......hehehehe......Big Smile

    They usually say, may I call you Joe for short ?   hahaha......if we are all together, tanong ko sa ibang pinoy, ano ang bago mong pangalan dito  ? Hindi kasi mapronounce ng mga kano ang pangalan natin.....My first & last name is American. So they have no problem with my name. D]



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  •  05-04-2007, 4:14 AM 2284708 in reply to 2284540

    Re: english as the medium of instruction, which side are you on?

    I wish to thank the lots and lots of TV I watched as a kid. Otherwise, I would have had a bytch of a time understanding the linggo. Even with a near-perfect TOEFL score, it still took me a couple of years to be comfortable with American slang and strike up random conversations with whites on the streets of USA. --- quote: Palahubug

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    How about adding - Watching lots of Hollywood Movies  !!!  I have lot of practice at home speaking english with my  american born nieces & nephews & white in-laws. Sometimes if I am in doubt on how to pronounce certain words, I usually ask them to pronounce it for me. Plus I speak it at work every day......So there , how much more practice in speaking english do I need ? I have more than enough I guess...Through the years, I gradually lost my pinoy accent.....I have improved a lot....but I am not quite the MASTER of the language yet.

    On the funny side, I have a short true story to tell..........I do customer service in our office......one of my american customer asked me on the phone if I am ITALIAN........I asked her why does she thinks I am Italian......she said you have an Italian Accent !!!  I almost drop dead on my chair....I told her I am a Pilipino not Italian....I asked her if she was making fun of my accent, she said NO not at all....Of all races...she picked Italian....hahaha....it just shows that I really have lost my pinoy accent.....Big Smile

     

     

     



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  •  05-04-2007, 4:34 AM 2284714 in reply to 2284708

    Re: english as the medium of instruction, which side are you on?

    ok soprano lady, well my last name is real tagalog, i hate it everytime i am on the phone, i have to spell my last name all the time...plus sometimes the P, V, D, and B can be easily mixed up....
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  •  05-04-2007, 6:00 AM 2284746 in reply to 2284714

    Re: english as the medium of instruction, which side are you on?

    If your name sounds like this......Batungbakal  or Constancia  or Bonifacio or Macapagal.....of course you have to spell it for them, that really sounds very foreign to them... ....hahaha !!! Big Smile Big Smile

    Yes....that is very true....they always ask you to spell your name........I do that to sometimes with my customers......specially if my customers have chinese, russian or german names that are really hard to spell.....such names as Romanosky, Lewinsky, Rothenberg, Schwarzenegger .....this are tongue twisters names.

    Pinoys prounounced the f as p like  plowers  for flowers   or  kat for cat  or  cero for zero...... Embarrassed

     

     



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  •  05-04-2007, 8:51 AM 2284976 in reply to 2284480

    Re: english as the medium of instruction, which side are you on?

    prince:
    mikhael07:

    it is accepted that filipino students need to improve on their english skills. however, has anyone thought about the present students who are victims of a vague language policy? and still some teachers also have poor english skills. 

     

    . it would be better if they focused on better overall education quality. a greater problem for us here is the declining quality of instruction in science and mathematics.  and some studies of deped actually point out that these subjects stand a better chance to be understood when taught in the native language. i do not know however if that view still stands.  anyway, english is indeed necessary but requiring it as a medium of instruction alone will not solve the problem of declining quality of english fluency in the philippines which in the first place is caused by declining quality of education.  GMA's piecemeal reforms won't work. just look at Usec. Hidalgo.  the politicians like to brag about how many classrooms have been constructed, how many books were bought, how many teachers were hired, how many scholars they have.  but the problem is of quality not quantity.

    you said it alright, no offense but your writing alone need improvement...you mentioned quality education... i think the gov't got the idea right, as a starter you need more teachers, classrooms, books, computers, etc...but of course these teachers need continuing ed for their own professional improvement...need more studies to be done to figure out what else is needed in order to excel PI level of education. So far, as my own personal experience, my foundation of english language helped me a lot to transcend to my schooling and profession here in the US...thanks for my english prof...i wish i took you guys more seriously, and spend more time learning....anyway, thanks a lot!

    ( hope you get what i mean above. no offense, but no one's perfect)

    i have no problem using Eglish in the schools. however, you must understand that while using it as a medium of instruction is official policy, it is not always official practice.  this is still the case in some provincial schools divisions.

    what is needed to truly effect change is political will to stamp out corruption in DepEd.  more and more money alone will not solve the problem.  more books? as long it is factual and grammatically correct!  More teachers? yes, as long as they know what they are teaching! Classrooms? how much is being lost to corruption?  Computers? probably in the more urban areas..
     

  •  05-04-2007, 10:12 AM 2285068 in reply to 2284976

    Re: english as the medium of instruction, which side are you on?

    mikhael07:
    prince:
    mikhael07:

    it is accepted that filipino students need to improve on their english skills. however, has anyone thought about the present students who are victims of a vague language policy? and still some teachers also have poor english skills. 

     

    . it would be better if they focused on better overall education quality. a greater problem for us here is the declining quality of instruction in science and mathematics.  and some studies of deped actually point out that these subjects stand a better chance to be understood when taught in the native language. i do not know however if that view still stands.  anyway, english is indeed necessary but requiring it as a medium of instruction alone will not solve the problem of declining quality of english fluency in the philippines which in the first place is caused by declining quality of education.  GMA's piecemeal reforms won't work. just look at Usec. Hidalgo.  the politicians like to brag about how many classrooms have been constructed, how many books were bought, how many teachers were hired, how many scholars they have.  but the problem is of quality not quantity.

    you said it alright, no offense but your writing alone need improvement...you mentioned quality education... i think the gov't got the idea right, as a starter you need more teachers, classrooms, books, computers, etc...but of course these teachers need continuing ed for their own professional improvement...need more studies to be done to figure out what else is needed in order to excel PI level of education. So far, as my own personal experience, my foundation of english language helped me a lot to transcend to my schooling and profession here in the US...thanks for my english prof...i wish i took you guys more seriously, and spend more time learning....anyway, thanks a lot!

    ( hope you get what i mean above. no offense, but no one's perfect)

    i have no problem using Eglish in the schools. however, you must understand that while using it as a medium of instruction is official policy, it is not always official practice.  this is still the case in some provincial schools divisions.

    what is needed to truly effect change is political will to stamp out corruption in DepEd.  more and more money alone will not solve the problem.  more books? as long it is factual and grammatically correct!  More teachers? yes, as long as they know what they are teaching! Classrooms? how much is being lost to corruption?  Computers? probably in the more urban areas..
     

    i don't know what else to tell you bro, in the first place, corruption in the phil will not be solve in our lifetime...getting the basic needs will be a good start...
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  •  05-04-2007, 10:58 AM 2285130 in reply to 2284746

    Re: english as the medium of instruction, which side are you on?

    you're right tinker, pinoys are good in speaking english but the problem is our tongue, kundi matigas malambot ang pananalita natin depende kung saan rehion ka nagmula. my cousin experienced the same thing when they arrived here sabi nya it's difficult to speak english  to think that he's a  certified public accountant sa pinas. anyways, kahit ano pang comment or issue ng iba nating mga kababayan i still see the importance of learning the international language and using it as medium of instruction sa ating mga paaralan.  nong time ng tatay at nanay ko ,a grade six  can teach already because they have been using english as their meidum of instruction long way  after the WWII.  by the way tinker, thanks for that private message you sent me today...i appreciate it....
  •  05-04-2007, 11:00 AM 2285138 in reply to 2273231

    Re: english as the medium of instruction, which side are you on?

    prince:

    President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo has categorically instructed the Department of Education (DepEd) to return to the use of English as the medium of instruction in the Philippine schools. This has stirred adverse reactions from academicians, linguists and nationalists lambasting it as a betrayal of Filipino nationhood.

    In my honest opinion and as a Filipino working and living in US, I spoke with a lot of  immigrants from other countries(poland, russia, korea, china, vietnam, japan, norway, sweden, germany, nigeria, haiti, etc) that they wish that they can speak english like the filipinos do... I think it is an advantage, and it is not an issue of lack of nationalism, it is just plain additional knowledge and skill...I myself wish I can speak fluent spanish, since latino's are the fastest growing population here in US...The board/english exams was lot easier for me, thanks to my english teachers in the PI. My transition of studying here in the US, was not bad at all, I was able to catch up with the americans, again thanks for my english knowledge. I saved thousands of dollars and time, when I took the exam and pass the interview process so I can skip the ESL class for foreign students, not bad  ha, from a guy fresh from the boat. Can someone explain to me the bad side of knowing english?

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    I would consider what GMA instructed to DepEd as a good move towards efficiency in English language. This would really help a lot our new Filipino generations to have the difference among asian countries. Only that we couldn't avoid that there were some critics who were seemingly against of implementing such. It could be that they only focus on what the 'milieu' dictates, that is, "filipinism" so to speak.

    Had they ever asked themselves about what economic value does it bring to our new generations if they stick on to our dialect or tagalog as a medium of instruction? I doubt. On the contrary, why is China and other non-english asian countries ahead of us in terms of economic development inspite of the fact that they're loyal to their language? Come to think of it.          

  •  05-04-2007, 11:20 AM 2285177 in reply to 2285068

    Re: english as the medium of instruction, which side are you on?

    prince:
    mikhael07:
    prince:
    mikhael07:

    it is accepted that filipino students need to improve on their english skills. however, has anyone thought about the present students who are victims of a vague language policy? and still some teachers also have poor english skills. 

     

    . it would be better if they focused on better overall education quality. a greater problem for us here is the declining quality of instruction in science and mathematics.  and some studies of deped actually point out that these subjects stand a better chance to be understood when taught in the native language. i do not know however if that view still stands.  anyway, english is indeed necessary but requiring it as a medium of instruction alone will not solve the problem of declining quality of english fluency in the philippines which in the first place is caused by declining quality of education.  GMA's piecemeal reforms won't work. just look at Usec. Hidalgo.  the politicians like to brag about how many classrooms have been constructed, how many books were bought, how many teachers were hired, how many scholars they have.  but the problem is of quality not quantity.

    you said it alright, no offense but your writing alone need improvement...you mentioned quality education... i think the gov't got the idea right, as a starter you need more teachers, classrooms, books, computers, etc...but of course these teachers need continuing ed for their own professional improvement...need more studies to be done to figure out what else is needed in order to excel PI level of education. So far, as my own personal experience, my foundation of english language helped me a lot to transcend to my schooling and profession here in the US...thanks for my english prof...i wish i took you guys more seriously, and spend more time learning....anyway, thanks a lot!

    ( hope you get what i mean above. no offense, but no one's perfect)

    i have no problem using Eglish in the schools. however, you must understand that while using it as a medium of instruction is official policy, it is not always official practice.  this is still the case in some provincial schools divisions.

    what is needed to truly effect change is political will to stamp out corruption in DepEd.  more and more money alone will not solve the problem.  more books? as long it is factual and grammatically correct!  More teachers? yes, as long as they know what they are teaching! Classrooms? how much is being lost to corruption?  Computers? probably in the more urban areas..
     

    i don't know what else to tell you bro, in the first place, corruption in the phil will not be solve in our lifetime...getting the basic needs will be a good start...

     

    maybe you are right and that corruption will not be solved in our lifetime.  but I ask you, does that justify the inaction in our government's part? certainly not!