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While the church is a very significant or crucial part of the Philippine culture, it should limit it's role to moral and spiritual support only.  These are supposed to be priests, not politicians.  The church will not be able to solve the reality of overpopulation, of the sad state of the Filipino economy.  It's also just another agency that seeks donations to hopefully advance the teachings of Christ and not be politically tainted like what we are seeing now.  If the government is to abide by the demands of the church to outlaw birth control, abortion (in cases of rape or life-threatening reasons), will it's WILL in trying to compel the citizens to it's distorted and politically motivated views actually help support them?  The fact that the majority of Filipinos have no concept on how to plan a better future for their children, kahit na halos wala nang kinakain panganak pa rin nang panganak.  They cannot and should not blame the government for this particular matter as it is their own doing.  When this is the only good thing perhaps the government can do and that is to educate the population so it can decide based on kung anong makakaya ng individual families and not reproduce like frogs, the church should not become politically involved.  They have their own issues to solve, after all these priests are no exception to sins - they're also human beings with emotions. Some have been known to be abusive, some have been known to steal, some have been known to molest trusting parishioners and some have even been known to lead secret lives with their own families.  Guess where their monies are coming from to support these nasty habits?  Just from the innocent and too trusting people as well. Unfortunately some of our own church's "doctrines" are loaded with selfish interest.

is separation of church and state ring a bell?

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Hindi naman dapat iban. Kahit sinong tumingin sa kalagayan ng ating populasyon, sadyang napakarami na ng mga pinoy. ito ang isang malaking dahilan ng mabagal na pagusad ng ekonomiya. siguro pangalawa sa korapsyon. hindi naman siguro magagalit ang Diyos kung magpigil maganak. hindi ba Siya ang nagbigay sa atin ng common sense para malaman na ang ating kita ay hindi sapat kung sosobra pa sa tatlo o mahigit pang anak. Isang malaking dahilan ang kahirapan at kumakalam na sikmura sa mga krimen. kahit ano pang paliwanag ng simbahan basta mali ang magank ng marami kung hindi kayang pakainin at mabigyan ng  magandang kinabukasan walang kama piryod.

Hindi naman dapat iban. Kahit sinong tumingin sa kalagayan ng ating populasyon, sadyang napakarami na ng mga pinoy. ito ang isang malaking dahilan ng mabagal na pagusad ng ekonomiya. siguro pangalawa sa korapsyon. hindi naman siguro magagalit ang Diyos kung magpigil maganak. hindi ba Siya ang nagbigay sa atin ng common sense para malaman na ang ating kita ay hindi sapat kung sosobra pa sa tatlo o mahigit pang anak. Isang malaking dahilan ang kahirapan at kumakalam na sikmura sa mga krimen. kahit ano pang paliwanag ng simbahan basta mali ang magank ng marami kung hindi kayang pakainin at mabigyan ng  magandang kinabukasan walang kama piryod.

Denial of communion to Catholic legislators would be counter-productive. It could lead to marginalizing catholic faithful in public life. Under Canon law, denial of communion involves restriction of a right, which must be interpreted strictly. Denial of communion is not the curent practice of the Holy See and other bishops conferences. Applying Canon Law on this matter would require a dialogue with the individuals concerned so that they would better understand the Catholic teachings and given differing roles and responsibilities of various office holders, to determine whether his/her actions result in grave culpability. In the light of Catholic teaching that "the education of conscience is a lifelong task (CCC 1784), there has to be a renewed effort at dialogue between Catholic bishops and politicians on all the fundamental principles of Church teachings regarding the defense of life in all its stages, especially in its beginning.

I think our country has gotten way too modern.  What used to be plain and simple parishes led by apolitical priest,  today, a bunch of old men wearing red robe at times violet decided, to re-style  themselves into cardinals, archbishops, bishops etc.  On top of that,  they decided to formed a group called CBCP.  Not sure if C is for conference or circumference or maybe even comatose what do I know?  What I know as a simple catholic is this; the good bishops must know  that mathematics is not only about addition and multiplication.  It is also about minus or less and of course if they feel more generous with their wealth, they can  'diby-diby' among the people they are encouraging to breed some more.

Napaka discriminatory ng Catholic Church kung gagawin nila 'yon.. ganyan ba kalinis ang mga obispo na ito at sila ang mag huhusga sa tao kung karapat dapat na mag communion? ilang ba sa mga katolico ang gumagamit ng contraceptive? ilan sa kanila ang nag papa abort? malamang mas higit sa kalahati ng mga katolico ang gumagamit ng contraceptive at nag papa abort? Baka dapat pati sila ay i-ban from taking the Holy communion? I am a Catholic, but i disgrace our Bishops from being so discriminatory! They're not GOD! They should focus on serving the people.... ano na ba ang nagawa nila? mga pang huhusga lang!

kapag hindi ginawa ng mga legislators o politiko ang trabaho nila ay masama sila ngayon na they're looking for solutions sa mga ganitong problema ay mas masama pa sila..paano naman doon sa mga mismong nagbibigay ng communion na gumagawa ng labag sa paniniwala ng simbahan katoliko? isa rin akong katoliko at ok sakin ang mga contraceptives but abortion ay ibang usapan na yan..para sa mga obispo ay mas magandang tingnan nalng nila ang lumalalang problema ng simbahan gaya ng paghina ng koleksyon sa mga misa na ang ibig sabihin ay umuunti ang mga taong nagsisimba..at sa dumadami ring katoliko ang lumilipat ng relihiyon?

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Teach me and I may remember
Involve me and I learn".

This shouldn't be an issue anyway........we all know the church only solution failed for this national problem..instead of division...the church should support the gov't for using an alternative ways (proven to work) and not to worry about abandoning the church solution totally but other means of solving the crisis....

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This is drawback to the dark ages, treating the laities like kids with carrot-stick mentality.  Abortion is not being made legal in all these legislative proposals yet they are making it appear as such.  Is this some kind of scare tactics?  They can fool some but not all.

Thank you Jacobus.  You hit it right on the head.  For being such an influential body, the church's ignorance and denial is more damaging to society than from any other source.

Abortion remains for me the most unacceptable form of birth control, and I will agree with Cardinal Ratzinger's (now Benedict XVI) views on presbyters refusing to give holy communion to legilators who advocate such actions.  However, I fully accept the other forms of birth control that do not fall under abortion as a category or classification.  Priests who refuse to convey holy communion to legislators just because they are opposed to the Supreme Pontiff on matters pertinent to birth control methods despite the established legality of these procedures are seriously prejudiced and, as a result, no longer act "in persona Christi". 

Ok lang na tumutol ang Simbahan sa mga panukala na lalabag sa sinasabi nilang doktrina ng biblya, ngunit WALA SILA KARAPATAN na ipressure at alisan ng karapatan bilang maging isang kumpletong katoliko ang mga taong nagiisip lang ng kapakanan ng nakakarami. Lalo pat ang usapin ay Political. Air your suggestions but do not intervene with Politics. Hangat marami naghihirap na tao sa Pilipinas dahil narin sa pagbubulagbulagan ng mga pareng Katolikong ito mas marami ang mahihikayat gumawa ng masama kahit mapigtas ang litid nyo maglitanya sa simbahan araw araw. Ano bang alam ng isang pari sa pagiging magulang na nagpapakain ng 10 anak, nakatira sa kalsada at lugmok sa kahirapan? Mas maniniwala ako sa kakayahan nilang maunawaan ang lumulubhang kahirapan kung wala ng pari ang nakatira sa magagara nilang quarters sa malalaking simbahan na naka Aircon, malalaki ang sahod, at kumakain ng 3 beses sa isang araw. Baka by that time mamulat sila sa katotohanan kung mismong sikmura nila ang kumakalam. Tama na Sobra na: SIMBAHAN = POLITIKA ? magisip ka Pinoy!

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IN THIS WORLD NOBODY IS PERFECT. WE ARE ALL SINNERS. WE SHOULD SEPARATE THE DOCTRINES OF THE CHURCH & THE STATE. FOR ME, THE RIGHT THINGS TO DO BY OUR GOVERNMENT IS TO HAVE A PROGRAM OF STRICT FAMILY PLANNING METHOD & EDUCATING OUR CITIZENRY THAT POPULATION EXPLOSION IS BAD TO OUR ECONOMY. THERE MUST BE A LAW (MANDATORY) LIMITING OUR KIDS UP TO 3 CHILD ONLY SO THAT THEIR PARENTS CAN AFFORD TO FEED & EDUCATE THEM. IN CHINA THEY'RE DOING THESE KIND OF LIMITATION OF KIDS.

IMPLEMENTATION OF THE LAW IS THE NAME OF THE GAME.  

Huwag naman sana. They did only what they think can help the society as well as addressing the social problem we encountered today. Di ba tama naman yon?

Pakibasa itong comment ng CBCp ha 

No population problem

The Catholic Church approves only of the use of natural family planning methods but opposes the use of contraceptives or the idea of population control.

The Catholic clergy maintains that there is no population problem and that the Philippines’ 84 million population is actually an asset to the economy.

“When shall this country treat its citizens with respect and deference? When will it learn to make its precious asset as they really are? When will it truly acknowledge that it is its population, as the OFWs, that keep it somehow economically afloat?” Cruz said.

He lamented that the population has often been blamed for poverty when it was bad governance that has misused and abused the population.

“People are either a curse or a blessing – depending on how they are led and governed,” Cruz said.

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By Blanche S. Rivera
Philippine Daily Inquirer
Friday, January 14, 2005

The bishop said the Church believes the greatest resource of humanity is the human being, and all other resources are secondary. He said heavily populated communities should not be seen as a liability but an asset for it can be a great source of human resource.
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All this time, iniisip ko kung INUTIL ang simbahan, now I am 100% sure. INUTIL ang mga pari at obispo. Asset ang sobrang dami??Human resource?? Ano ba ipinagmamalaki nila?? OFW's. ANg mga OFW ba bago makapunta ng ibang bansa nagdadasal lang para magkaron ng placement fee??? COmmon sense na kahit stable ang konomiya ng 1 bansa, kung mas madami ang tao kesa sa food resource o sa trabaho, meron at merong magugutom.Pag dumami tao, nagkukulang ang pagkain, nagkukulang ang trabaho, HELL nagkukulang pati ang lugar na tatayuan ng bahay. I can't believe na kinampihan pa sila ni GMA samantalang ito na ang tsansa nya to do something that is right.

Abusado na talaga simbahang Katoliko, I mean aral sila ng aral ng pagkanta ng mga awiting Latin "Diyos de salve, maria" tapos simpleng economic law at mathematic napaka TONTO naman nila. Dapat iimplement ang family planning,kung papayagan natin sila na ithrow ang weight nila around any issues, bakit di sila ang magpatakbo ng pamahalaan at makikita natin na impraktikal ang solusyon nila dahil puro dasal dasal dasal,

Eh ano ngayon kung di sila magbigay ng communion???Eh ano ngayon kung di nila ikasal ang mga mambabatas?? Sa hirap ng buhay ngayon,mas praktikal ng magpakasal sa huwes?ANo ba babayaran mo sa pari para magluho sa kasal,yung BLESSING nila kuno??MALULUHO rin ang mga pari dahil kahit may vow sila of celibacy,di naman sila immune sa karangyaan at pagkain ng masarap. Dapat sila, harassin rin, PAGBAYARIN ng buwis para magtigil para maranasan nila yung economic crisis na kinakaharap ng lahat ng sektor.. Dapat silang tratuhin na parang ABu Sayyaf, di dapat binibigyan ng media coverage. At bakit me sarili silang website?? Diba ang sobrang katalinuhan ay sa demonyo ayon sa kanila?? Diba mahal tayo ng Diyos na binigyan tayo ng freewill?? Otherwise magiging puppet tayo na samba lang ng samba sa kanya mag araw magdamag?/ Bakit ang mga taga paglingkod ng Diyos ay inaalisan tayo ng karapatan natin,right to choose?? Sabi nila iaapela nila ito sa Korte SUprema, ano basehan nila, Bibliya laban sa saligang batas???Makikipagdebate sila sa mga abogado na ang gamit nila bibliya?? Mga inutil na gunggong na nakapalda na dada ng dada na wala namang alam, PRIMITIBO.ANo gusto nilang mangyari, pag nagtalik ang mag asawa, mag nobena nal ang kay Saint Peregrine para walang mabuo?dapat ang itawag sa kanila SImbahang Romano Pulitiko o Roman Politic church (and i'm a catholic pa nyan ha but a scientific one)

  Akala siguro nila,pag lumobo populasyon,dadami ang maghuhulog sa basket nila pag sunday eh ngayon palang matumal na.Wag kayoomanghinayang sa hostiya,pede kayo magsibma kahit walang communion. Bitin pa yun eh dahil ang communion,katawan at DUGO ni Kristo kaya dati me alak,eh ngayon ,nagtitpid na mga pakilamerong nakasaya, Ostiya na lang kasi mahal ang alak, dun pa lang di kaya nanggugulang na sila??Kumabag tubong lugaw dahil di na bahagi ng Eucharist ang alak, malaking katipiran tsk tsk tsk.Kurakot ang mga pari o hindi kaya this is another example ng religion eh nagseselos sa syensya??

Bakit kaya ayaw din ng simbahan sa cloning?? Kasi eka it is agaisnt the laws of nature,Come on majority ng technology na nag eexist ngayon satin in this modern age, baka ipasunog ka ng buhay ng mga obispo kung ginawa mo ito ng middle ages. Dahil kaya pag nag clone ka ng tao ibig sabihin hindi PREDETERMINE ang kaluluwa ng 1 tao?? Na pag nabuo ka pa lang saka ka considered na tao otherwise isa ka lang organism?? Di ba ganun rin sa conception?? Hanggang di ka nabubuo, di ka tao?? hmm??

Huwag naman natin ilagay ang lahat ng bintang sa mga Pari ng RCC. They are clerics of the Catholic Church and their law is the Holy Bible, the word of the Lord. Hindi sila ang gumawa ng mga ipinagbabawal ng biblya at ng church dogma. They have to keep on preaching the teachings of Christ and defend the tenets of the church. If we are to be good Catholics we will just have to have faith that somehow God will provide.

 

Our protestations are truly valid from the secular point of view but if the legislator/s happen to be a Catholic then they have to abide by the church’s’ commandments. GMA has decided to be guided by her beliefs just like Bush have ruled against stem cell research and human cloning due to his strong Christian beliefs.

 

Sure there are priests who have gone astray and have done inappropriate deeds. Don’t worry because they will have their day of judgment before the Lord. Let us keep our faith and not follow them into their damnation by turning our backs on the church. Have faith.

 

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Lazzaluv:

Huwag naman natin ilagay ang lahat ng bintang sa mga Pari ng RCC. They are clerics of the Catholic Church and their law is the Holy Bible, the word of the Lord. Hindi sila ang gumawa ng mga ipinagbabawal ng biblya at ng church dogma. They have to keep on preaching the teachings of Christ and defend the tenets of the church. If we are to be good Catholics we will just have to have faith that somehow God will provide.

Our protestations are truly valid from the secular point of view but if the legislator/s happen to be a Catholic then they have to abide by the church’s’ commandments. GMA has decided to be guided by her beliefs just like Bush have ruled against stem cell research and human cloning due to his strong Christian beliefs.

Sure there are priests who have gone astray and have done inappropriate deeds. Don’t worry because they will have their day of judgment before the Lord. Let us keep our faith and not follow them into their damnation by turning our backs on the church. Have faith.

 

separation of church and state...hindi tayo under sharia law....do want it that way too sa catholic? catholic form of gov't?

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