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Last post 04-03-2008, 7:44 PM by prince. 88 replies.
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04-02-2008, 9:53 AM |
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prince: Lazzaluv: prince: tagasubaybay: Lazzaluv: prince: Lazzaluv: prince:so far majority here in chicago believed that corruption in the pi are so rampant....even our local newspapers and tv-news here says so...
Oh so they believed. So now they don’t, well that’s good. After all there is really no solid evidence directly linking GMA, it is the people around her that are alleged to be doing those corrupt dealings. So there you go.
hahahaha...ok, I will take that....but the people around gma have exec privi from her, it does not make a difference...there is still corruption...i wish gma will just tell us what are the anomalies in zte deal and confirm the bribe of abalos..that's it...is it too much to ask for?
Ang hina mo naman eh..So you want the President to publicly confirm that Abalos is corrupt..I don’t think she or any President will do that. Why do you think Abalos resigned? Do you believe that he resigned on his own accord? Think my friend. Do you get it?
I don’t agree with prince, but I respect people like him here. At least he makes efforts to understand unlike ignorant Filipinos believing in popular figures without questioning.
WE ALL WANT THE TRUTH RIGHT? OF COURSE GMA WONT TALK, LOOK AT NERI, HE WONT GO FURTHER...WE ALL KNOW THAT NERI TOLD GMA ABOUT ABALOS BRIBE, AND GMA CONFIRMED THAT BUT THE DETAILS ARE THE ONE THEY ARE BEING SILENT ABOUT...WHY?
Oh, so now you want the details? It’s clear Abalos tried to bribe Neri and Neri informed the President, right? Ok, there must have been some sensitive national security matters discussed during that conversation that is why Neri used the right not to testify under “Executive Privilege”. Whatever that is we cannot force Neri or the President to divulge matters covered by executive privilege. Espiya ka ba?
As for Abalos I’m quite certain he was given the “ Resign or be fired..” line. Mahirap bang intindihin para sa iyo?
hahahaha..ano nga ang national security sa bagay na business transactions...nangutang ang pinas, that's it...wala namang issue about spies, intelligence sharing, militray, etc... about the zte deal....so tell me ano nga ang national security ang pinagsasabi mo? so lahat na lang ng business deal ng pinas ay dapat walang tranparency dahil national security...unconstitutional yan.... plus kay abalos.parang satisfied ka na sa parusa sa kanya(kung parusa ay = sa resignation)....iyan ba ang batas against sa mga nagbribe? sa pulis mag bribe ka kulong bagsak mo iyon pa kayang billion peso deal...hindi mo ba get ang magnitude sa ginawa ni abalos? plus up to now abalos denied any wrongdoing....and gma did not say---hey abalos you are lying!
Ay naku,,ang hirap mo naman paliwanagan, di mo pa rin makuha. Look, there must be sufficient reason for Neri to use the executive privilege in order not to testify. What it is ? Your guess is as good as mine. Kasi if he agrees to testify, and because he is under oath, he will have to answer all their questions and divulge the contents of his conversation with the President at that time, eh baka naman hindi lang tungkol sa ZTE ang kanilang pinagusapan. Get it. About Abalos, remember hindi naman natuloy ang bribery. Attempted palang. So I think losing a well placed position in the government is a good enough punishment.
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04-02-2008, 10:18 AM |
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Lazzaluv: prince: Lazzaluv: prince: tagasubaybay: Lazzaluv: prince: Lazzaluv: prince:so far majority here in chicago believed that corruption in the pi are so rampant....even our local newspapers and tv-news here says so...
Oh so they believed. So now they don’t, well that’s good. After all there is really no solid evidence directly linking GMA, it is the people around her that are alleged to be doing those corrupt dealings. So there you go.
hahahaha...ok, I will take that....but the people around gma have exec privi from her, it does not make a difference...there is still corruption...i wish gma will just tell us what are the anomalies in zte deal and confirm the bribe of abalos..that's it...is it too much to ask for?
Ang hina mo naman eh..So you want the President to publicly confirm that Abalos is corrupt..I don’t think she or any President will do that. Why do you think Abalos resigned? Do you believe that he resigned on his own accord? Think my friend. Do you get it?
I don’t agree with prince, but I respect people like him here. At least he makes efforts to understand unlike ignorant Filipinos believing in popular figures without questioning.
WE ALL WANT THE TRUTH RIGHT? OF COURSE GMA WONT TALK, LOOK AT NERI, HE WONT GO FURTHER...WE ALL KNOW THAT NERI TOLD GMA ABOUT ABALOS BRIBE, AND GMA CONFIRMED THAT BUT THE DETAILS ARE THE ONE THEY ARE BEING SILENT ABOUT...WHY?
Oh, so now you want the details? It’s clear Abalos tried to bribe Neri and Neri informed the President, right? Ok, there must have been some sensitive national security matters discussed during that conversation that is why Neri used the right not to testify under “Executive Privilege”. Whatever that is we cannot force Neri or the President to divulge matters covered by executive privilege. Espiya ka ba?
As for Abalos I’m quite certain he was given the “ Resign or be fired..” line. Mahirap bang intindihin para sa iyo?
hahahaha..ano nga ang national security sa bagay na business transactions...nangutang ang pinas, that's it...wala namang issue about spies, intelligence sharing, militray, etc... about the zte deal....so tell me ano nga ang national security ang pinagsasabi mo? so lahat na lang ng business deal ng pinas ay dapat walang tranparency dahil national security...unconstitutional yan.... plus kay abalos.parang satisfied ka na sa parusa sa kanya(kung parusa ay = sa resignation)....iyan ba ang batas against sa mga nagbribe? sa pulis mag bribe ka kulong bagsak mo iyon pa kayang billion peso deal...hindi mo ba get ang magnitude sa ginawa ni abalos? plus up to now abalos denied any wrongdoing....and gma did not say---hey abalos you are lying!
Ay naku,,ang hirap mo naman paliwanagan, di mo pa rin makuha. Look, there must be sufficient reason for Neri to use the executive privilege in order not to testify. What it is ? Your guess is as good as mine. Kasi if he agrees to testify, and because he is under oath, he will have to answer all their questions and divulge the contents of his conversation with the President at that time, eh baka naman hindi lang tungkol sa ZTE ang kanilang pinagusapan. Get it. About Abalos, remember hindi naman natuloy ang bribery. Attempted palang. So I think losing a well placed position in the government is a good enough punishment.
there you go, see some people, including me wants that detail, maybe its corruption....if not, then there's nothing to hide...in regards to bribe, you can still go to jail.... Bribery, which is synonymous with pecuniary corruption, is an act implying money or gift given that alters the behaviour of the person in ways not consistent with the duties of that person or in breach of law. Bribery constitutes a crime and is defined by Black's Law Dictionary as the offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of any item of value to influence the actions of an official or other person in discharge of a public or legal duty. The bribe is the gift bestowed to influence the receiver's conduct. It may be any money, good, right in action, property, preferment, privilege, emolument, object of value, advantage, or any promise or undertaking to induce or influence the action, vote, or influence of a person in an official or public capacity. It is a form of corruption and is generally considered unethical. In most jurisdictions it is illegal, or at least cause for sanctions from one's employer or professional organization. Congress adopted the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act in 1977 to outlaw payments that are intended to win contracts from foreign officials.---zte deal sounds familiar?
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04-02-2008, 11:21 AM |
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prince: Lazzaluv: prince: Lazzaluv: prince: tagasubaybay: Lazzaluv: prince: Lazzaluv: prince:so far majority here in chicago believed that corruption in the pi are so rampant....even our local newspapers and tv-news here says so...
Oh so they believed. So now they don’t, well that’s good. After all there is really no solid evidence directly linking GMA, it is the people around her that are alleged to be doing those corrupt dealings. So there you go.
hahahaha...ok, I will take that....but the people around gma have exec privi from her, it does not make a difference...there is still corruption...i wish gma will just tell us what are the anomalies in zte deal and confirm the bribe of abalos..that's it...is it too much to ask for?
Ang hina mo naman eh..So you want the President to publicly confirm that Abalos is corrupt..I don’t think she or any President will do that. Why do you think Abalos resigned? Do you believe that he resigned on his own accord? Think my friend. Do you get it?
I don’t agree with prince, but I respect people like him here. At least he makes efforts to understand unlike ignorant Filipinos believing in popular figures without questioning.
WE ALL WANT THE TRUTH RIGHT? OF COURSE GMA WONT TALK, LOOK AT NERI, HE WONT GO FURTHER...WE ALL KNOW THAT NERI TOLD GMA ABOUT ABALOS BRIBE, AND GMA CONFIRMED THAT BUT THE DETAILS ARE THE ONE THEY ARE BEING SILENT ABOUT...WHY?
Oh, so now you want the details? It’s clear Abalos tried to bribe Neri and Neri informed the President, right? Ok, there must have been some sensitive national security matters discussed during that conversation that is why Neri used the right not to testify under “Executive Privilege”. Whatever that is we cannot force Neri or the President to divulge matters covered by executive privilege. Espiya ka ba?
As for Abalos I’m quite certain he was given the “ Resign or be fired..” line. Mahirap bang intindihin para sa iyo?
hahahaha..ano nga ang national security sa bagay na business transactions...nangutang ang pinas, that's it...wala namang issue about spies, intelligence sharing, militray, etc... about the zte deal....so tell me ano nga ang national security ang pinagsasabi mo? so lahat na lang ng business deal ng pinas ay dapat walang tranparency dahil national security...unconstitutional yan.... plus kay abalos.parang satisfied ka na sa parusa sa kanya(kung parusa ay = sa resignation)....iyan ba ang batas against sa mga nagbribe? sa pulis mag bribe ka kulong bagsak mo iyon pa kayang billion peso deal...hindi mo ba get ang magnitude sa ginawa ni abalos? plus up to now abalos denied any wrongdoing....and gma did not say---hey abalos you are lying!
Ay naku,,ang hirap mo naman paliwanagan, di mo pa rin makuha. Look, there must be sufficient reason for Neri to use the executive privilege in order not to testify. What it is ? Your guess is as good as mine. Kasi if he agrees to testify, and because he is under oath, he will have to answer all their questions and divulge the contents of his conversation with the President at that time, eh baka naman hindi lang tungkol sa ZTE ang kanilang pinagusapan. Get it. About Abalos, remember hindi naman natuloy ang bribery. Attempted palang. So I think losing a well placed position in the government is a good enough punishment.
there you go, see some people, including me wants that detail, maybe its corruption....if not, then there's nothing to hide...in regards to bribe, you can still go to jail.... Bribery, which is synonymous with pecuniary corruption, is an act implying money or gift given that alters the behaviour of the person in ways not consistent with the duties of that person or in breach of law. Bribery constitutes a crime and is defined by Black's Law Dictionary as the offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of any item of value to influence the actions of an official or other person in discharge of a public or legal duty. The bribe is the gift bestowed to influence the receiver's conduct. It may be any money, good, right in action, property, preferment, privilege, emolument, object of value, advantage, or any promise or undertaking to induce or influence the action, vote, or influence of a person in an official or public capacity. It is a form of corruption and is generally considered unethical. In most jurisdictions it is illegal, or at least cause for sanctions from one's employer or professional organization. Congress adopted the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act in 1977 to outlaw payments that are intended to win contracts from foreign officials.---zte deal sounds familiar?
...gift given …. gift bestowed ....sanctions from one's employer... Very good, now you know the difference between Bribery and Attempted Bribery?
A journey always starts with the first step.
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04-02-2008, 11:42 AM |
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prince
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Lazzaluv: prince: Lazzaluv: prince: Lazzaluv: prince: tagasubaybay: Lazzaluv: prince: Lazzaluv: prince:so far majority here in chicago believed that corruption in the pi are so rampant....even our local newspapers and tv-news here says so...
Oh so they believed. So now they don’t, well that’s good. After all there is really no solid evidence directly linking GMA, it is the people around her that are alleged to be doing those corrupt dealings. So there you go.
hahahaha...ok, I will take that....but the people around gma have exec privi from her, it does not make a difference...there is still corruption...i wish gma will just tell us what are the anomalies in zte deal and confirm the bribe of abalos..that's it...is it too much to ask for?
Ang hina mo naman eh..So you want the President to publicly confirm that Abalos is corrupt..I don’t think she or any President will do that. Why do you think Abalos resigned? Do you believe that he resigned on his own accord? Think my friend. Do you get it?
I don’t agree with prince, but I respect people like him here. At least he makes efforts to understand unlike ignorant Filipinos believing in popular figures without questioning.
WE ALL WANT THE TRUTH RIGHT? OF COURSE GMA WONT TALK, LOOK AT NERI, HE WONT GO FURTHER...WE ALL KNOW THAT NERI TOLD GMA ABOUT ABALOS BRIBE, AND GMA CONFIRMED THAT BUT THE DETAILS ARE THE ONE THEY ARE BEING SILENT ABOUT...WHY?
Oh, so now you want the details? It’s clear Abalos tried to bribe Neri and Neri informed the President, right? Ok, there must have been some sensitive national security matters discussed during that conversation that is why Neri used the right not to testify under “Executive Privilege”. Whatever that is we cannot force Neri or the President to divulge matters covered by executive privilege. Espiya ka ba?
As for Abalos I’m quite certain he was given the “ Resign or be fired..” line. Mahirap bang intindihin para sa iyo?
hahahaha..ano nga ang national security sa bagay na business transactions...nangutang ang pinas, that's it...wala namang issue about spies, intelligence sharing, militray, etc... about the zte deal....so tell me ano nga ang national security ang pinagsasabi mo? so lahat na lang ng business deal ng pinas ay dapat walang tranparency dahil national security...unconstitutional yan.... plus kay abalos.parang satisfied ka na sa parusa sa kanya(kung parusa ay = sa resignation)....iyan ba ang batas against sa mga nagbribe? sa pulis mag bribe ka kulong bagsak mo iyon pa kayang billion peso deal...hindi mo ba get ang magnitude sa ginawa ni abalos? plus up to now abalos denied any wrongdoing....and gma did not say---hey abalos you are lying!
Ay naku,,ang hirap mo naman paliwanagan, di mo pa rin makuha. Look, there must be sufficient reason for Neri to use the executive privilege in order not to testify. What it is ? Your guess is as good as mine. Kasi if he agrees to testify, and because he is under oath, he will have to answer all their questions and divulge the contents of his conversation with the President at that time, eh baka naman hindi lang tungkol sa ZTE ang kanilang pinagusapan. Get it. About Abalos, remember hindi naman natuloy ang bribery. Attempted palang. So I think losing a well placed position in the government is a good enough punishment.
there you go, see some people, including me wants that detail, maybe its corruption....if not, then there's nothing to hide...in regards to bribe, you can still go to jail.... Bribery, which is synonymous with pecuniary corruption, is an act implying money or gift given that alters the behaviour of the person in ways not consistent with the duties of that person or in breach of law. Bribery constitutes a crime and is defined by Black's Law Dictionary as the offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of any item of value to influence the actions of an official or other person in discharge of a public or legal duty. The bribe is the gift bestowed to influence the receiver's conduct. It may be any money, good, right in action, property, preferment, privilege, emolument, object of value, advantage, or any promise or undertaking to induce or influence the action, vote, or influence of a person in an official or public capacity. It is a form of corruption and is generally considered unethical. In most jurisdictions it is illegal, or at least cause for sanctions from one's employer or professional organization. Congress adopted the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act in 1977 to outlaw payments that are intended to win contracts from foreign officials.---zte deal sounds familiar?
...gift given …. gift bestowed ....sanctions from one's employer... Very good, now you know the difference between Bribery and Attempted Bribery?
hahahahaha...attempted bribery...i like that......you forgot the "INTENT"....it does not mean that the other party have to accept the bribe first before you can get conviction.....hahahaha....just like the anomalous zte deal....its no longer anomalous since it was cancelled...hahahahahahha.......
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04-03-2008, 5:55 AM |
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prince: Lazzaluv: prince: Lazzaluv: prince: Lazzaluv: prince: tagasubaybay: Lazzaluv: prince: Lazzaluv: prince:so far majority here in chicago believed that corruption in the pi are so rampant....even our local newspapers and tv-news here says so...
Oh so they believed. So now they don’t, well that’s good. After all there is really no solid evidence directly linking GMA, it is the people around her that are alleged to be doing those corrupt dealings. So there you go.
hahahaha...ok, I will take that....but the people around gma have exec privi from her, it does not make a difference...there is still corruption...i wish gma will just tell us what are the anomalies in zte deal and confirm the bribe of abalos..that's it...is it too much to ask for?
Ang hina mo naman eh..So you want the President to publicly confirm that Abalos is corrupt..I don’t think she or any President will do that. Why do you think Abalos resigned? Do you believe that he resigned on his own accord? Think my friend. Do you get it?
I don’t agree with prince, but I respect people like him here. At least he makes efforts to understand unlike ignorant Filipinos believing in popular figures without questioning.
WE ALL WANT THE TRUTH RIGHT? OF COURSE GMA WONT TALK, LOOK AT NERI, HE WONT GO FURTHER...WE ALL KNOW THAT NERI TOLD GMA ABOUT ABALOS BRIBE, AND GMA CONFIRMED THAT BUT THE DETAILS ARE THE ONE THEY ARE BEING SILENT ABOUT...WHY?
Oh, so now you want the details? It’s clear Abalos tried to bribe Neri and Neri informed the President, right? Ok, there must have been some sensitive national security matters discussed during that conversation that is why Neri used the right not to testify under “Executive Privilege”. Whatever that is we cannot force Neri or the President to divulge matters covered by executive privilege. Espiya ka ba?
As for Abalos I’m quite certain he was given the “ Resign or be fired..” line. Mahirap bang intindihin para sa iyo?
hahahaha..ano nga ang national security sa bagay na business transactions...nangutang ang pinas, that's it...wala namang issue about spies, intelligence sharing, militray, etc... about the zte deal....so tell me ano nga ang national security ang pinagsasabi mo? so lahat na lang ng business deal ng pinas ay dapat walang tranparency dahil national security...unconstitutional yan.... plus kay abalos.parang satisfied ka na sa parusa sa kanya(kung parusa ay = sa resignation)....iyan ba ang batas against sa mga nagbribe? sa pulis mag bribe ka kulong bagsak mo iyon pa kayang billion peso deal...hindi mo ba get ang magnitude sa ginawa ni abalos? plus up to now abalos denied any wrongdoing....and gma did not say---hey abalos you are lying!
Ay naku,,ang hirap mo naman paliwanagan, di mo pa rin makuha. Look, there must be sufficient reason for Neri to use the executive privilege in order not to testify. What it is ? Your guess is as good as mine. Kasi if he agrees to testify, and because he is under oath, he will have to answer all their questions and divulge the contents of his conversation with the President at that time, eh baka naman hindi lang tungkol sa ZTE ang kanilang pinagusapan. Get it. About Abalos, remember hindi naman natuloy ang bribery. Attempted palang. So I think losing a well placed position in the government is a good enough punishment.
there you go, see some people, including me wants that detail, maybe its corruption....if not, then there's nothing to hide...in regards to bribe, you can still go to jail.... Bribery, which is synonymous with pecuniary corruption, is an act implying money or gift given that alters the behaviour of the person in ways not consistent with the duties of that person or in breach of law. Bribery constitutes a crime and is defined by Black's Law Dictionary as the offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of any item of value to influence the actions of an official or other person in discharge of a public or legal duty. The bribe is the gift bestowed to influence the receiver's conduct. It may be any money, good, right in action, property, preferment, privilege, emolument, object of value, advantage, or any promise or undertaking to induce or influence the action, vote, or influence of a person in an official or public capacity. It is a form of corruption and is generally considered unethical. In most jurisdictions it is illegal, or at least cause for sanctions from one's employer or professional organization. Congress adopted the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act in 1977 to outlaw payments that are intended to win contracts from foreign officials.---zte deal sounds familiar?
...gift given …. gift bestowed ....sanctions from one's employer... Very good, now you know the difference between Bribery and Attempted Bribery?
hahahahaha...attempted bribery...i like that......you forgot the "INTENT"....it does not mean that the other party have to accept the bribe first before you can get conviction.....hahahaha....just like the anomalous zte deal....its no longer anomalous since it was cancelled...hahahahahahha.......
kaya nga gusto nila eh sa senado na lang daanin o kaya sa kalsada, hehehe!
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04-03-2008, 7:54 AM |
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04-03-2008, 11:20 AM |
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prince:sige ka baka makasuhan ka ng attempted bribery....bwahahahaha.....
Kawawa ka naman. You still don’t get it. Forget it I give up on you.
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04-03-2008, 2:28 PM |
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Lazzaluv: prince:sige ka baka makasuhan ka ng attempted bribery....bwahahahaha.....
Kawawa ka naman. You still don’t get it. Forget it I give up on you.
hehehe Oh I think he got it, but just "juggling words into in circles" like a clown, to lighten his embarassment. hahaha
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04-03-2008, 7:44 PM |
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elgoog: Lazzaluv: prince:sige ka baka makasuhan ka ng attempted bribery....bwahahahaha.....
Kawawa ka naman. You still don’t get it. Forget it I give up on you.
hehehe Oh I think he got it, but just "juggling words into in circles" like a clown, to lighten his embarassment. hahaha
ohhh you like that attempted bribery? yup....i saw that in law and order...not.......
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