I can't trust people supporting a proven thief crying for the ouster of an accused thief... 

They are just trying to remove a supposedly thief in exchange of other probable thieves...

These people are not crying for real change but just supporting the personalities backing them...

The real defect in our politics is not in the leadership only but also lies in the system itself...

A change in the leadership won't solve a dysfunctional system of government...

I will only believe in these rallyists if they will call for a change in the government system...

Why just the personalities? Why not the government?

To all Noisy Anti-Arroyo Rallyists & die hard Lozada worshippers

 

What right does Lozada have to preach unproven allegations to young students in numerous schools? This is a gross abuse of freedom of speech, it’s no different from recruiting rebels to join a coup de etat, the only difference is Lozada is duping the students into joining his cause ‘free of charge’, with full knowledge that these students can be easily manipulated and they do not have the full capacity to distinguish between the whole truth and self vested, political propaganda.   

 

How can you say that the “people” have lost their trust in Arroyo? Based on 15,000 thousand people who joined the Feb29 interfaith rally? Not even a fraction of Edsa 1 & 2! Based on the pulse Asia surveys funded by the master manipulator Osmena? What about the SC, the AFP, the CBCP, El Shaddai, Iglesia, the millions of the silent majority who do not dare to ask for Arroyo’s resignation, the Millions of Filipino’s who do not dare to join any rally and be used by power hungry opposition politicians. Aren’t they “people” TOO?

 

THE BOTTOMLINE IS: Based on our laws, President Arroyo is presumed innocent until her accusers prove the charges against her “beyond reasonable doubt”, lest the Philippines be branded as an uncivil and mob-ruled country.

 

The presumption of innocence is animated by the requirement that the accuser prove the charges against the defendant Beyond a Reasonable Doubt.

 

This due process requirement, a fundamental tenet of criminal law, is contained in statutes and judicial opinions. The requirement that a person suspected of a crime be presumed innocent also is mandated in statutes and court opinions.

 

A presumption of innocence instruction is required because the people are in danger of convicting the defendant on the basis of extraneous considerations rather than the facts of the case.

 

The mere mention of the phrase presumed innocent keeps people focused on the ultimate issue at hand in a criminal case: whether the prosecution has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant committed the alleged act.

 

Sadly most Filipinos are more inclined to believe in tsismis rather than the law. Maybe a result of too much watching of Boy Abunda, and laziness to even browse what is written in our constitution!!! Laziness to even look at the technical comparison between the ZTE and AHI NBN contract!!! To much belief in the manipulative MEDIA, too much belief in TSISMIS!!!

 

IT IS LAZINESS & THE CRAB MENTALITY IS THE ROOT CAUSE THAT IS TEARING OUR BELOVED COUNTRY APART!!! & THE OPPORTUNIST CHINESE BUSINESS-MAN LOZADA HAS FULL KNOWLEDGE OF THIS, AND HE IS EXPLOITING IT TO THE FULLEST!!!

 

Lozada (the calculative cunning Chinese business-man) knows very well that he cannot prove in the judicial courts his allegations against President Arroyo, because his claims are all hearsay, and he has absolutely no solid evidence to back it up. This is why his strategy is to desperately preach his unproven allegations to students who can be easily swayed and duped to join his cause to oust Arroyo by unconstitutional means.

 

Lozada is a coward who wants to hide behind his human shields, the gullible nuns who don’t listen to the CBCP, the lazy students who don’t have an inkling about how Philippine politics works, and the opportunist opposition politicians who are using him as their tool from day 1.  

 

The law is above all, the law is what distinguishes us from the barbarians of the old days. The law is what makes us a civil society. That is why we must respect the law. Lozada does not respect the law, Lozada wants to evade it by ousting Arroyo first because he knows that sooner or later, the law will catch up to him.

 

LAZINESS & THE CRAB MENTALITY IS THE ROOT CAUSE THAT IS TEARING OUR BELOVED COUNTRY APART!!! & THE OPPORTUNIST CHINESE BUSINESS-MAN LOZADA HAS FULL KNOWLEDGE OF THIS, AND HE IS EXPLOITING IT TO THE FULLEST!!!

You like to cut and paste the same reply to different posts.  Kind of interesting.  Makes me think that your working for GMA.  Bombard the forum with all your fallacies.  It's like hypnotism.  You keep bombarding an information until they accept and believe what your trying to make them believe.  For someone to post like this in a forum, tells me you use your emotions more than your mind and its useless to reply to any of your post/reply.  It's hard to challenge and to reply when you're replying to a zombie. 

 Its really funny that you post LAZINESS & THE CRAB MENTALITY IS THE ROOT CAUSE THAT IS TEARING OUR BELOVED COUNTRY APART!!! Based on this, YOU are the reason why our beloved country is tearing apart.  STOP CUTTING AND PASTING THE SAME REPLY YOU LAZY BUM!  Its priceless. 

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-A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul-

Aggravation:

You like to cut and paste the same reply to different posts.  Kind of interesting.  Makes me think that your working for GMA.  Bombard the forum with all your fallacies.  It's like hypnotism.  You keep bombarding an information until they accept and believe what your trying to make them believe.  For someone to post like this in a forum, tells me you use your emotions more than your mind and its useless to reply to any of your post/reply.  It's hard to challenge and to reply when you're replying to a zombie. 

 Its really funny that you post LAZINESS & THE CRAB MENTALITY IS THE ROOT CAUSE THAT IS TEARING OUR BELOVED COUNTRY APART!!! Based on this, YOU are the reason why our beloved country is tearing apart.  STOP CUTTING AND PASTING THE SAME REPLY YOU LAZY BUM!  Its priceless. 

I agree That's why I'm telling them...especially NICOLETTE...DON'T LET YOUR EMOTION DRIVE YOUR BRAIN RATHER USE MERIAM BRAIN TO DRIVE YOUR EMOTION....hehehehe

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MARCOS PA RIN!!!

kidperez:

I can't trust people supporting a proven thief crying for the ouster of an accused thief... 

They are just trying to remove a supposedly thief in exchange of other probable thieves...

These people are not crying for real change but just supporting the personalities backing them...

The real defect in our politics is not in the leadership only but also lies in the system itself...

A change in the leadership won't solve a dysfunctional system of government...

I will only believe in these rallyists if they will call for a change in the government system...

Why just the personalities? Why not the government?

Kidperez you hit the nail on the head.  I'm not a supporter of Lozada nor GMA.  I only support the truth and well being of our future and the future of the Philippines.  Whether your a Lozada or GMA supporter, I applaud you.  This is probably one of the most TRUTHFUL post I've read.

Though some posters might think I'm a Lozada supporter, it makes me sick to hear and read that some filipinos see Lozada as a hero.  He's a crook and a liar just like GMA.  He didn't speak out before because he was getting paid. 

Edsa 2 was a joke.  And if Edsa 3 happens, it would be a disaster.  EDSA 1 I applaud because it was to change our government.  Edsa 2 and/if Edsa 3... it's only to change the personality thats governing our country.  In a way, it shows that we, in general, see ourselves above the law. 

I wish our next EDSA rally is for the betterment of our country not just for Pedro and Juan.

This might be a crazy idea... Sa 2010, when voting for the next president, vote someone that is not in the Philippines.  I mean, madami tayo mga politicians na Pilipino na taga abroad.  Why not vote for them?  Dito sa California madami mga Counselor and Mayor na Pilipino.  Same in Hawaii. I'm pretty sure if given the chance, someone will accept and help our country rebound.

Sorry to offend, if I did, filipinos living in the Philippines.  Pero I think people in the Philippines think differently, or should I say closed minded mashado.  They only see black or white.  They only fight for Pedro or Juan.  

 

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-A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul-

Aggravation:

kidperez:

I can't trust people supporting a proven thief crying for the ouster of an accused thief... 

They are just trying to remove a supposedly thief in exchange of other probable thieves...

These people are not crying for real change but just supporting the personalities backing them...

The real defect in our politics is not in the leadership only but also lies in the system itself...

A change in the leadership won't solve a dysfunctional system of government...

I will only believe in these rallyists if they will call for a change in the government system...

Why just the personalities? Why not the government?

Kidperez you hit the nail on the head.  I'm not a supporter of Lozada nor GMA.  I only support the truth and well being of our future and the future of the Philippines.  Whether your a Lozada or GMA supporter, I applaud you.  This is probably one of the most TRUTHFUL post I've read.

Though some posters might think I'm a Lozada supporter, it makes me sick to hear and read that some filipinos see Lozada as a hero.  He's a crook and a liar just like GMA.  He didn't speak out before because he was getting paid. 

Edsa 2 was a joke.  And if Edsa 3 happens, it would be a disaster.  EDSA 1 I applaud because it was to change our government.  Edsa 2 and/if Edsa 3... it's only to change the personality thats governing our country.  In a way, it shows that we, in general, see ourselves above the law. 

I wish our next EDSA rally is for the betterment of our country not just for Pedro and Juan.

This might be a crazy idea... Sa 2010, when voting for the next president, vote someone that is not in the Philippines.  I mean, madami tayo mga politicians na Pilipino na taga abroad.  Why not vote for them?  Dito sa California madami mga Counselor and Mayor na Pilipino.  Same in Hawaii. I'm pretty sure if given the chance, someone will accept and help our country rebound.

Sorry to offend, if I did, filipinos living in the Philippines.  Pero I think people in the Philippines think differently, or should I say closed minded mashado.  They only see black or white.  They only fight for Pedro or Juan.  

 

i just see lozada as a whistle blower and he did made a huge impact...do you think gma will cancel zte deal without lozada's testimonies? a hero vs a saint? there's a difference...but to open a pandoras box of corruption...yup, in that perspective...lozada is a hero...

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Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.

Ang Problema binabayaran yung mga nag-rarally na yan, kaya ibig sabihin nag-tratrabaho sila sa kung sinong nag-babayad sa kanila hindi dahil may pinag-lalaban sila, saka kahit sinong maupo sa pwesto  Rally pa rin diyan dahil ginawa ng  negosyo at trabaho ng iba...asan ng pinag-lalaban kung lahat kalaban???...

Hello AGGRVATION:

I’M GLAD THAT YOU’RE NOT PRO-LOZADA, I’M ALSO GLAD TO TELL YOU THAT OPPORTUNITIES ARE COMING OUR WAY SO THAT LAST THING WE SHOULD DO IS SCARE AWAY POTENTIAL INVESTORS BY JOINING A SENSELESS ANTI ARROYO RALLY!!

The largest Economy in the World (our largest trading partner) is already in as state of STAGFLATION and RECESSION. The dollar is slumping, Yen is rising and oil has breached the $103 level. People must understand first the adverse effects of these fundamentals to the Philippines economy before so conveniently pointing their finger to the President. This vicious economic cycle has nearly already hit bottom, and everybody around the world is only waiting for a trend reversal.  

I totally agree that the economic struggle is an uphill battle, and no quick remedy such as ousting the current President will help to improve it. What the Philippines needs are consistently laid down ECONOMIC MILESTONES, foundations of future presidencies to build upon to achieve SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT!!!

The Philippines does not need any more LIP SERVICE and FAKE SALVATION such as promised by the DISGRACED ERAP. Arroyo has already begun building our Nations economy by investing heavily on government infrastructure, attracting foreign business, and economically liberating provinces by giving them more autonomy, the economic indicators and the stronger support she gains from the provinces speak for themselves. THE PEOPLE IN THE PROVINCES WILL NEVER AGAIN ACCEPT THE DISGRACED ERAP AS THEIR PRESIDENT!!! THEY WOULD RATHER CLOSE THEIR BORDERS AND RUN THEIR PROVINCES AS SEPARATE STATES FROM CHAOTIC MANILA, RATHER THAN BOW DOWN TO A DISGRACED DRUNKARD PRESIDENT.

What makes matters worse are the MEDIA which also have self vested interest.

WE CAN NO LONGER TRUST WHAT BIASED MEDIA NETWORKS TELL US BECAUSE THEY HAVE OBVIOUSLY ALREADY MADE UNHOLY ALIANSES WITH ERAP AND HIS DIRTY COHORTS!!!,

Sadly there are now so many lazy Filipinos such as “PRINCE” infected with the crab mentality....expected to be spoon-fed with manipulated information from the biased media who deceptively magnify the unproven statements of opportunist opposition lawmakers and their cohorts.

Let me ask you people, why does your favorite media network always publish amplified Anti-Arroyo slogans as if they were already established fact and already proven in the court? Don’t you ever wonder why?

If your favorite biased media is really telling you the whole truth then haven’t they even published the stories about:

1. Manila Bishop Rosales did not call for Gloria Arroyo to resign as earlier claimed by Social Welfare Sec. Corazon "Dinky" Soliman and Ex-Senator Franklin Drilon. This story has been circulated by all other networks except your favorite biased network whom you expect to spoon-feed you with the truth?

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/83393/Manila-Bishop-I-did-not-call-for-Arroyos-resignation-in-2005

2. Why hasn’t your favorite biased media published the story about Archbishop Quevedo scoring your favorite biased media network Wednesday for "siding" and frequently quoting pro-resign Catholic bishops at the expense of the "majority." Is this the quality lip service you expect from your subscription expenses? Are you getting your true money worth?

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/83558/Prelate-chides-media-for-siding-with-pro-resign-bishops

You always believe in whatever the BIASED MEDIA tells you even if they purposely flood the airwaves with comments from the ROGUE PRIESTS & NUNS (Who by the way only comprise of 8% of the CBCP voting hierarchy) and POWER HUNGRY OPPOSITION LAW-BREAKERS (Who can only muster 15,000 people to join their pathetic disorganized so called Feb29 rally for peace).

So to all Noisy Anti Arroyo Die hard Lozada worshippers: Why do you have so many unanswered questions...Why do you always believe in every story and TSISMIS your favorite network spoonfeeds you dailly?

BECAUSE YOU DON'T EVEN LIFT YOUR LAZY BUTT FROM YOUR COUCH AND DON’T EVEN LIFT A FINGER TO FIND OUT FOR YOURSELVES!!!!!

prince:

Aggravation:

kidperez:

I can't trust people supporting a proven thief crying for the ouster of an accused thief... 

They are just trying to remove a supposedly thief in exchange of other probable thieves...

These people are not crying for real change but just supporting the personalities backing them...

The real defect in our politics is not in the leadership only but also lies in the system itself...

A change in the leadership won't solve a dysfunctional system of government...

I will only believe in these rallyists if they will call for a change in the government system...

Why just the personalities? Why not the government?

Kidperez you hit the nail on the head.  I'm not a supporter of Lozada nor GMA.  I only support the truth and well being of our future and the future of the Philippines.  Whether your a Lozada or GMA supporter, I applaud you.  This is probably one of the most TRUTHFUL post I've read.

Though some posters might think I'm a Lozada supporter, it makes me sick to hear and read that some filipinos see Lozada as a hero.  He's a crook and a liar just like GMA.  He didn't speak out before because he was getting paid. 

Edsa 2 was a joke.  And if Edsa 3 happens, it would be a disaster.  EDSA 1 I applaud because it was to change our government.  Edsa 2 and/if Edsa 3... it's only to change the personality thats governing our country.  In a way, it shows that we, in general, see ourselves above the law. 

I wish our next EDSA rally is for the betterment of our country not just for Pedro and Juan.

This might be a crazy idea... Sa 2010, when voting for the next president, vote someone that is not in the Philippines.  I mean, madami tayo mga politicians na Pilipino na taga abroad.  Why not vote for them?  Dito sa California madami mga Counselor and Mayor na Pilipino.  Same in Hawaii. I'm pretty sure if given the chance, someone will accept and help our country rebound.

Sorry to offend, if I did, filipinos living in the Philippines.  Pero I think people in the Philippines think differently, or should I say closed minded mashado.  They only see black or white.  They only fight for Pedro or Juan.  

 

i just see lozada as a whistle blower and he did made a huge impact...do you think gma will cancel zte deal without lozada's testimonies? a hero vs a saint? there's a difference...but to open a pandoras box of corruption...yup, in that perspective...lozada is a hero...

Speaking of hero, what I think about people wanting to be a hero is, they are out of their mind, or perharps they did something really bad or crazy and are just trying to cover it up by overcompensating.

But welll,in the case of Jun Lozada is not really compensating as it appears, but really  reverting back to his college years, literally, by entering a college campus full of MINORS!, trying manipulate use MINORS or college students as his supporters in his political agenda. Wow, well if there is such a term such "POLITICAL PHAEDOPHILES" then that's the word to describe Jun Lozada.

Jun Lozada a POLITICAL PHAEDOPHILE!

Jun Lozada using the same tactics being used by PHAEDOPHILES, which is prying on the UNSUSPECTING, INEXPERIENCED, POOR, MINORS, that's right MENOR DE EDAD. Ang tanda na ni Jun Lozada ah! He should be ashamed of himself!

What do you expect these MENOR DE EDAD na isasagot sa MANIPULATOR OF TRUTH AT POLITICAL PHAEDOPHILE NA MATANDANG POLITIKO TULAD NI JUN LOZADA? Of course yes lang sila nang yes!

Jun Lozada really knows how to manipulate the truth doesn't he, OR NOT? Bakit hindi siya pumatol ang intsik na ito sa ka level niya?

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elgoog

prince:

Aggravation:

kidperez:

I can't trust people supporting a proven thief crying for the ouster of an accused thief... 

They are just trying to remove a supposedly thief in exchange of other probable thieves...

These people are not crying for real change but just supporting the personalities backing them...

The real defect in our politics is not in the leadership only but also lies in the system itself...

A change in the leadership won't solve a dysfunctional system of government...

I will only believe in these rallyists if they will call for a change in the government system...

Why just the personalities? Why not the government?

Kidperez you hit the nail on the head.  I'm not a supporter of Lozada nor GMA.  I only support the truth and well being of our future and the future of the Philippines.  Whether your a Lozada or GMA supporter, I applaud you.  This is probably one of the most TRUTHFUL post I've read.

Though some posters might think I'm a Lozada supporter, it makes me sick to hear and read that some filipinos see Lozada as a hero.  He's a crook and a liar just like GMA.  He didn't speak out before because he was getting paid. 

Edsa 2 was a joke.  And if Edsa 3 happens, it would be a disaster.  EDSA 1 I applaud because it was to change our government.  Edsa 2 and/if Edsa 3... it's only to change the personality thats governing our country.  In a way, it shows that we, in general, see ourselves above the law. 

I wish our next EDSA rally is for the betterment of our country not just for Pedro and Juan.

This might be a crazy idea... Sa 2010, when voting for the next president, vote someone that is not in the Philippines.  I mean, madami tayo mga politicians na Pilipino na taga abroad.  Why not vote for them?  Dito sa California madami mga Counselor and Mayor na Pilipino.  Same in Hawaii. I'm pretty sure if given the chance, someone will accept and help our country rebound.

Sorry to offend, if I did, filipinos living in the Philippines.  Pero I think people in the Philippines think differently, or should I say closed minded mashado.  They only see black or white.  They only fight for Pedro or Juan.  

 

i just see lozada as a whistle blower and he did made a huge impact...do you think gma will cancel zte deal without lozada's testimonies? a hero vs a saint? there's a difference...but to open a pandoras box of corruption...yup, in that perspective...lozada is a hero...

Prince if you put it like that.... I can respect that.  And yes it's because Lozada kaya na cancel ang deal, pero thanks to the son of JDV also since he was the first one to blow his whistle.  But I do understand why people don't regard him as a credible whistle blower, kasi nga he was a losing bidder sa deal, hence giving him all the bias reason to cry out.

Kaya nga its hard for me not to turn my other cheek and cover my ears pag nag sasalita si Lozada.  Kasi I don't see any reason for him to be defaming GMA's character.  And like what I've posted before, Lozada spoke out for his safety, and his saftey only, not because for his country.  Pwede naman sya mag keep quiet.  Pero he didn't kasi he knew na malapit na sya e ligpit.  I'm not sure if some of you posters have or had family / relatives that are/were in politics before.  I do, til this current day.  And politicians there sa pinas has the mentality "its either your with me or against me" and "that if your against me, keep quiet, or we'll shut it up for you".  So Lozada had no choice but to blow his whistle kasi he wouldn't be alive now kung nag keep quiet lang sya.

I'm just having a hard time accepting him as a hero, kasi he was part of the ZTE deal.  I just don't think he's doing this for our country, but to save himself.  I can say thanks to him, but will never see him as a hero, not unless someone convince me that he did this for our country.

 

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-A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul-

elgoog:

prince:

Aggravation:

kidperez:

I can't trust people supporting a proven thief crying for the ouster of an accused thief... 

They are just trying to remove a supposedly thief in exchange of other probable thieves...

These people are not crying for real change but just supporting the personalities backing them...

The real defect in our politics is not in the leadership only but also lies in the system itself...

A change in the leadership won't solve a dysfunctional system of government...

I will only believe in these rallyists if they will call for a change in the government system...

Why just the personalities? Why not the government?

Kidperez you hit the nail on the head.  I'm not a supporter of Lozada nor GMA.  I only support the truth and well being of our future and the future of the Philippines.  Whether your a Lozada or GMA supporter, I applaud you.  This is probably one of the most TRUTHFUL post I've read.

Though some posters might think I'm a Lozada supporter, it makes me sick to hear and read that some filipinos see Lozada as a hero.  He's a crook and a liar just like GMA.  He didn't speak out before because he was getting paid. 

Edsa 2 was a joke.  And if Edsa 3 happens, it would be a disaster.  EDSA 1 I applaud because it was to change our government.  Edsa 2 and/if Edsa 3... it's only to change the personality thats governing our country.  In a way, it shows that we, in general, see ourselves above the law. 

I wish our next EDSA rally is for the betterment of our country not just for Pedro and Juan.

This might be a crazy idea... Sa 2010, when voting for the next president, vote someone that is not in the Philippines.  I mean, madami tayo mga politicians na Pilipino na taga abroad.  Why not vote for them?  Dito sa California madami mga Counselor and Mayor na Pilipino.  Same in Hawaii. I'm pretty sure if given the chance, someone will accept and help our country rebound.

Sorry to offend, if I did, filipinos living in the Philippines.  Pero I think people in the Philippines think differently, or should I say closed minded mashado.  They only see black or white.  They only fight for Pedro or Juan.  

 

i just see lozada as a whistle blower and he did made a huge impact...do you think gma will cancel zte deal without lozada's testimonies? a hero vs a saint? there's a difference...but to open a pandoras box of corruption...yup, in that perspective...lozada is a hero...

Speaking of hero, what I think about people wanting to be a hero is, they are out of their mind, or perharps they did something really bad or crazy and are just trying to cover it up by overcompensating.

But welll,in the case of Jun Lozada is not really compensating as it appears, but really  reverting back to his college years, literally, by entering a college campus full of MINORS!, trying manipulate use MINORS or college students as his supporters in his political agenda. Wow, well if there is such a term such "POLITICAL PHAEDOPHILES" then that's the word to describe Jun Lozada.

Jun Lozada a POLITICAL PHAEDOPHILE!

Jun Lozada using the same tactics being used by PHAEDOPHILES, which is prying on the UNSUSPECTING, INEXPERIENCED, POOR, MINORS, that's right MENOR DE EDAD. Ang tanda na ni Jun Lozada ah! He should be ashamed of himself!

What do you expect these MENOR DE EDAD na isasagot sa MANIPULATOR OF TRUTH AT POLITICAL PHAEDOPHILE NA MATANDANG POLITIKO TULAD NI JUN LOZADA? Of course yes lang sila nang yes!

Jun Lozada really knows how to manipulate the truth doesn't he, OR NOT? Bakit hindi siya pumatol ang intsik na ito sa ka level niya?

That's politics for you.  Politicians will always target .....

1. target the younger generation 2. Religious groups 3. Poor people.

But forget about these college student for a while, and keep in mind these are kids/students that are mature enough to make their own deciscions.  Don't make it sound like they are innocent little babies. 

I think the bigger concern is politics using the church.  It makes me sick to see either Lozada or GMA sa church praying.  Both are using the curch to cover their sins and show the world na mabait sila. 

Lets not discriminate on Lozada only.  What about GMA?  

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-A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul-

Aggravation:

elgoog:

prince:

Aggravation:

kidperez:

I can't trust people supporting a proven thief crying for the ouster of an accused thief... 

They are just trying to remove a supposedly thief in exchange of other probable thieves...

These people are not crying for real change but just supporting the personalities backing them...

The real defect in our politics is not in the leadership only but also lies in the system itself...

A change in the leadership won't solve a dysfunctional system of government...

I will only believe in these rallyists if they will call for a change in the government system...

Why just the personalities? Why not the government?

Kidperez you hit the nail on the head.  I'm not a supporter of Lozada nor GMA.  I only support the truth and well being of our future and the future of the Philippines.  Whether your a Lozada or GMA supporter, I applaud you.  This is probably one of the most TRUTHFUL post I've read.

Though some posters might think I'm a Lozada supporter, it makes me sick to hear and read that some filipinos see Lozada as a hero.  He's a crook and a liar just like GMA.  He didn't speak out before because he was getting paid. 

Edsa 2 was a joke.  And if Edsa 3 happens, it would be a disaster.  EDSA 1 I applaud because it was to change our government.  Edsa 2 and/if Edsa 3... it's only to change the personality thats governing our country.  In a way, it shows that we, in general, see ourselves above the law. 

I wish our next EDSA rally is for the betterment of our country not just for Pedro and Juan.

This might be a crazy idea... Sa 2010, when voting for the next president, vote someone that is not in the Philippines.  I mean, madami tayo mga politicians na Pilipino na taga abroad.  Why not vote for them?  Dito sa California madami mga Counselor and Mayor na Pilipino.  Same in Hawaii. I'm pretty sure if given the chance, someone will accept and help our country rebound.

Sorry to offend, if I did, filipinos living in the Philippines.  Pero I think people in the Philippines think differently, or should I say closed minded mashado.  They only see black or white.  They only fight for Pedro or Juan.  

 

i just see lozada as a whistle blower and he did made a huge impact...do you think gma will cancel zte deal without lozada's testimonies? a hero vs a saint? there's a difference...but to open a pandoras box of corruption...yup, in that perspective...lozada is a hero...

Speaking of hero, what I think about people wanting to be a hero is, they are out of their mind, or perharps they did something really bad or crazy and are just trying to cover it up by overcompensating.

But welll,in the case of Jun Lozada is not really compensating as it appears, but really  reverting back to his college years, literally, by entering a college campus full of MINORS!, trying manipulate use MINORS or college students as his supporters in his political agenda. Wow, well if there is such a term such "POLITICAL PHAEDOPHILES" then that's the word to describe Jun Lozada.

Jun Lozada a POLITICAL PHAEDOPHILE!

Jun Lozada using the same tactics being used by PHAEDOPHILES, which is prying on the UNSUSPECTING, INEXPERIENCED, POOR, MINORS, that's right MENOR DE EDAD. Ang tanda na ni Jun Lozada ah! He should be ashamed of himself!

What do you expect these MENOR DE EDAD na isasagot sa MANIPULATOR OF TRUTH AT POLITICAL PHAEDOPHILE NA MATANDANG POLITIKO TULAD NI JUN LOZADA? Of course yes lang sila nang yes!

Jun Lozada really knows how to manipulate the truth doesn't he, OR NOT? Bakit hindi siya pumatol ang intsik na ito sa ka level niya?

That's politics for you.  Politicians will always target .....

1. target the younger generation 2. Religious groups 3. Poor people.

But forget about these college student for a while, and keep in mind these are kids/students that are mature enough to make their own deciscions.  Don't make it sound like they are innocent little babies. 

I think the bigger concern is politics using the church.  It makes me sick to see either Lozada or GMA sa church praying.  Both are using the curch to cover their sins and show the world na mabait sila. 

Lets not discriminate on Lozada only.  What about GMA?  

I don't know how old or experienced you are. Just as when you think when you are mature enough, and made the right decision, but only to find out later that you are not really mature enough, at binola ka lang pala, ay napakasakit at minsan kadalasan pagsisihan mo sa bandang huli . 

Politician at Intsik si Jun Lozad,a far cry from these minors all the time are just living their young own world in college campus. If you are educated, of course you know what's like to be a minor.

These minors are no match to a veteran Politician Jun Lozada and worst of all Chinese!

There is a very important reason as to why we call them MINORS. Keep that in mind

Don't just entrust your child/children to anyone.

Most people don't knows exactly how Jun Lozada a chinese is thinking except what's been spoonfed to us.

And some say that, what being spoonfed is not always a good thing. What's hidden behind the story is what's important. And most people don't fully know well about this Chinese Jun Lozada. It takes years and personal relationship and interaction to really know what is like to be a Chinese and what like to be Jun Lozada. And even that, has limitation or not enough information to base from para kampante ka na sa iyong decision. Based on these we can ask these students specific questions on how much do they really know about Jun Lozada. And my bet they don't know him very much.

And yet with just few words coming from Lozada's mouth in just few minutes of time, these minors have made their decision. It is totally wrong. Very cheap di ba? And Jun Lozada taking advantage of  the weakness of these minors is just plain evil.

 

Kahit anak ko hindi ko ipagkakatiwala sa kahit sino sino lalong lalo na sa mga beteranong politicians at intsik pa.

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elgoog

Michaelj, we re not stupid...not need to have legal evidence. just open your eyes and ask people in the business sector. they know whats going on bec. they deal with this gov't on daily basis.

 The ZTE is a rip off for business people. not hard to calculate the Wif-fi equipment...it can be done with less than $100million which already include kickback for purchasers...but we are talking of $320milliion....   business people already accept the 10% kickback for gov't which is already included in our cost of doing business...it's just the corrupt gov't don't give a damm about you Filipinos...that why they steal not 10% but 70% of the contract price.

There are more which business sector is ware of, Macapagal Highway, just calculate the per mile cost...it's just too expensive(if the road are gold, then ok but it's cement and steel only).

The Jojo Bolante Agri billions that disappear?  o by the way the Garci tape, did you hear the conversation?  Arroyo already apologized for talking to Garci...what evidence to you need. 

 They are already laughing with their $$$ stash in Swiss bank and Cayman island...

 Anyway, sad Jose Rizal didn't wait for evidence to revolt...he knows what's going on and he wrote the Noli me Tangere etc.... were back to the old Spanish mentality.

 The Spaniard did a really good job suppressing the Pinoy. in on other country with is obvius corruption and cheating in polls, the gov't would last a month in their positiion bec. people won't stand for it....but Pinoy are very patience and subservient....nice traits but also weakness....

Neri already said " Abalos offer him Php 200 million bribe for the ZTE deal"  Don't believe Neir is anti-Arroyo. He is protecting Arroyo as evidence of his reluctance to testify.

The Wifi won't cost $325 million, there was calculation in Bondoc article(Phil. Star), whih is only in $100milliion.    And honestly the broadband could be subcontract to PLDT or Globe for on a usage basis only.  Just like our DSL which is only few thousand a month.  Security can be done via encryption which is more secure than physical ownership.

 De Venecia was a losing party to the ZTE deal, and he was unhappy but he also divulge the extend of the corruption involed.    If Neri didn't testify, we would have doubted him but Neri corraborate his testimony of Abalos overpricing and bribe.

Lozada also corraborate Neir testimony.  

So you have Neir, Lozada, and De Venecia all lying bec. they want to bring down Arroyo.The three must really be brave or stupid....

 

blackburn:

Neri already said " Abalos offer him Php 200 million bribe for the ZTE deal"  Don't believe Neir is anti-Arroyo. He is protecting Arroyo as evidence of his reluctance to testify.

The Wifi won't cost $325 million, there was calculation in Bondoc article(Phil. Star), whih is only in $100milliion.    And honestly the broadband could be subcontract to PLDT or Globe for on a usage basis only.  Just like our DSL which is only few thousand a month.  Security can be done via encryption which is more secure than physical ownership.

 De Venecia was a losing party to the ZTE deal, and he was unhappy but he also divulge the extend of the corruption involed.    If Neri didn't testify, we would have doubted him but Neri corraborate his testimony of Abalos overpricing and bribe.

Lozada also corraborate Neir testimony.  

So you have Neir, Lozada, and De Venecia all lying bec. they want to bring down Arroyo.The three must really be brave or stupid....

 

Who knows whats really true? Anyway, kahit ano pa man, please no more Chinese for me!

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elgoog

Yes Blackburn, JDV, Lozada, Lacson, and ERAP are all “BRAVE & STUPID”.

That is why I sent the below letter/proposal to the DOJ, because the abuse of freedom of speech has become overly abused by persons such as them in our society.

A letter to the DOJ Philippines:

 

There needs to be a law passed where any person who disrespects the "Office of the Presidency" by making false accusations and spreading deliberate rumors about the president, should be charged with a felony or at the very least a high misdemeanor. President Arroyo has been falsely accused with nothing concrete to back the accusations up.

 

All of the accusations against President Arroyo are of an offensive nature and so far, just vicious attacks for political gains. But what these political ant-Arroyo opposition scumbags can’t seem to grasp. . . most people such as LACSON are now onto their destructive strategies, and have about had it with their whining and non-leadership approach. The opposition would be wise to change the leaders (Erap, JDV, and Cory Aquino) working behind the scenes, because they are hindering their advancement, rather than helping their pack of opposition hounds. Erap should have just shut up and stay home with his ailing mother a long time ago. He doesn't know how to play fair & his stage antics are way outdated - pathetic. Not to mention, after Arroyo pardoned him, now he is leading the cry for her ouster based on unproven rumors, also JDV & LOZADA has to been held accountable for starting this malicious rumor.

 

The opportunistic oppositionists have probably written their own obituary, by not taking the bull by the horns and continuously wasting taxpayer money by producing obviously paid and fraudulent witnesses (such as Zuce, Cam, and Lozada) to the senate. . Opposition support is now dwindling away, the FILIPINO people are beginning to see their true motives. They are dwindling away about like an ice cube in 100 degree temperatures in the beaches of Boracay. Since the biggest majority of Filipinos are pro-economy, this is and should be a disastrous game for opposition. Won't they ever learn? Apparently not.

 

The majority of the Filipino people do not want leaders who are proven without a doubt to be corrupt in the law courts such as Erap.

When people with violent tendencies expresses the desire to assassinate the president over a public forum, this shows an unsettling trend that seems to be engulfing our society. Teaching political hatred seems to be gaining ground and should not be tolerated. But when young teen students of various universities in the Philippines see people such as Lozada courageously spreading rumors and unproven allegations against the president, trying to make polit