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Why blame government for poverty?
Last post 05-15-2008, 8:42 AM by palahubug99. 35 replies.
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01-13-2008, 2:36 PM |
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Re: Why blame government for poverty?
palahubug99: ^As usual Jayjay101 you make sense only to yourself. Do you practice this every morning when you get up? You appear to be the master of obfuscation. Lay off the booze for a change so you won't be hung over so much. 
I DO UNDERSTAND IF YOU DIDN'T GET WHAT AM TRYING TO SAY, I KNOW PEOPLE LIKE YOU.. WITH SO MUCH MISERY IN LIFE WON'T BE ABLE TO APPRECIATE ANYTHING..ALWAYS BLAMING OTHER PEOPLE FOR YOUR MISERY IN LIFE.
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01-13-2008, 8:35 PM |
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Re: Why blame government for poverty?
JAYJAY101: palahubug99: ^As usual Jayjay101 you make sense only to yourself. Do you practice this every morning when you get up? You appear to be the master of obfuscation. Lay off the booze for a change so you won't be hung over so much. 
I DO UNDERSTAND IF YOU DIDN'T GET WHAT AM TRYING TO SAY, I KNOW PEOPLE LIKE YOU.. WITH SO MUCH MISERY IN LIFE WON'T BE ABLE TO APPRECIATE ANYTHING..ALWAYS BLAMING OTHER PEOPLE FOR YOUR MISERY IN LIFE.
i think the difference here is we pay taxes thats why we demand better life!
Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.
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03-01-2008, 12:07 PM |
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Nicolette
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Re: Why blame government for poverty?
only1country:Poverty is worldwide issue. Philippines for one is suffering from this. But I find it ironic these people are blaming it all to governemnt. The government may be one of the reasons but they are to be as to blame for their lives. It has something to do with an individual's mentality. To stop pointing fingers on who's to blame with their miserable life, My mom came here in Cebu with nothing and knows no one. From the port she directly went to the market and ask people with a store if they need a worker. She found a job selling meat before she could find a room to live which is also near the market. My mom's hardwork paid off slowly. I was born and we lived in squatters area but my mom knows how to save. i was 8 or 9 she was able to buy a lot and build a house in subdivision. she does this by herself. Now she has a stall in the market and have a good business and enjoying a good life. A person is answerable to his own life not the government. Nothing will happen to one's life if you just sit and do nothing. You have to work hard in order to have the life you want since not all of us are blessed to be born with money.
Why? First, ang mga leaders ng pinas mahilig sa utang tulad ni GMA...utang dito utang doon...at of course, saan sa palagay mo kinukuha ang pambayad doon...HINDI BA SA MGA MAMAMAYAN THRU TAXES...hindi ba, kaya nga nag EVAT pa..which is dagdag tax...ANG MASAMA, NINANAKAW NAMAN NILA KAYA ANG POBRE SI JUAN DELA CRUZ, hindi na naalis sa kahirapan... actually, hindi pa nga pinapanganak ang isang pinoy, ME UTANG NA SIYA!
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03-05-2008, 5:15 AM |
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Re: Why blame government for poverty?
hi, Who should be blamed ? What is a great Leader? and for what reason is the leader elected? as a foreigner being in Philippines many times the last 3 years i can´t See any improvements anywhere (maybe i don´t See them) maybe the cleanup in bay walk manila was a improvement? huhu,,at least it took away some peoples way to earn some money there (they probably have to sell Viagra in malate now) "My mom's hard work paid off slowly" she was lucky find a job then,, i know many like your mom that run day out looking for job but don´t find I also know many that get kicked out from school because the can´t pay the fees!!! serious! what kind of leadership is this? do phils need educated people??? I would like to know what the leader is doing and have done to get Philippines in a better shape the last and coming years My opinion is,,YES the government/leader is to be blamed for the sad situation for many in Philippines, as i see the efforts are put in to move military and police around to protect the leader from the people rather then the leader protect the people to be continue.......later God bless Lars Sweden
""Greeds And garbage are too thick-strewn To be swept up now, or invent Excuses that make them all needs. I just think it will happen, soon.""
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03-06-2008, 9:20 AM |
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Re: Why blame government for poverty?
TO: MR. BLOODSWEDE, the guy who claims to come from Sweden but doesn’t have in inkling of how the Swedish government is run!!! no wonder your posts are all misdirected...you have been mixing up good governance with business management... HAHAHAHAHA!!! You must be joking right? Well FYI there is a distinct difference between governing a country and running a business therefore the fundamentals CLEARLY DO NOT APPLY!!! GEEZ!!! 1. Businesses nowadays do not need continuity, they are for profit and shareholder value, a business may hire or terminate people based on sales demand forecasts because this would increase their stock price, whereas a country is stuck with its population, a government is committed to educating, feeding, providing jobs, and providing infrastructure for these people no matter what! Therefore the myopic methods of running a business does not apply to governing a country. GET IT? 2. A company can file for bankruptcy anytime, leaving their employees with nothing, while the CEO can still have an early retirement with $Millions, whereas a Country's President needs to assure that the economic foundations being laid in her terms assure continuity and self sustainability, if she steals anything during her term, the people will not be so forgiving, and will hound her long after she steps down from being the President. 3. A company can conveniently sever its relationships with its supplier and customers by ending its business and selling its shares to the stockmarket, and still make profit. But a country must continue its economic agendas, president after president after president, making sure that it’s international relationships and foreign business ties remain robust despite all it’s cultural differences and methods of governing. SO YOU SEE MR., SWEDE, YOU CANNOT RUN THE PHILIPPINES LIKE A CRAPPY BUSINESS, YOUR SHORTSIGHTEDNESS AND IGNORANCE ARE ONLY CONTRIBUTING TO THE DEMISE OF OUR COUNTRY’S DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS!!!! YOU MUST FIRST UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITIES OF PHILIPPINE POLITICS BEFORE CHANTING THE NOW EVER POPULAR BUT EVER USELESS SLOGAN OF “GLORIA RESIGN”. IF YOU HAVE A BETTER SENSE & UNDERSTANDING OF THE SITUATION, YOU MIGHT AS WELL BE SHOUTING “GLORIA STAY UNTIL 2010, LET THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS RUN IT’S COURSE, WE ARE A COUNTRY OF CIVIL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS WE ARE NOT A COUNTRY OF MOB RULING LAWLESS BARBARIANS!!!” I’m pretty sure Swedish people are one of the most Law abiding Citizens in the World, haven’t you noticed this during your stay there? Or are you just in Sweden selling hotdogs???
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03-06-2008, 12:05 PM |
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Michaelj
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Re: Why blame government for poverty?
Hindi naka-alis sa kahirapan si Juan Dela Cruz dahil kay Juan Dela Cruz hinde dahil sa Gobyerno, kung aasa mo ang asenso mo sa Gobyerno walang mangyayari kahit sino pang maupo diyan...Mag-sikap si Juan Dela Cruz para maalis siya sa kahirapan kagaya ng ginawa siguro ni Pedro at ibang Pinoy na may napala sa buhay na galing din sa hirap.
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03-06-2008, 4:02 PM |
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blondswede
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Re: Why blame government for poverty?
Dear Peace_Syndrome I
have to ask you! why you have to use so BIG WORDS??and why you have to
post the same message in all posts? You have some kind of complex? For
me its OK because I'm dyslectic so i read better( but don´t understand
what u want to say) Did i say to run Philippines like a business? i don´t think so! (then read again) Why
should i brag coming from Sweden? again if you read my posts you reply
on you would se i love Philippines and the humble people (those without
big words that is) I'm married to a pinay so that's why i ending
up give my opinion, and for me something is really wrong standing in
Philippine managements true the years. And regards Hotdogs, no I'm
not selling hotdogs even if that maybe be a good business , but still i
run my own business from i was 17 years and that was somewhere 25 years
ago. As a businessman i can See who is going for greed and money
and who is going for achievements, and after made some research about
"First Gentleman" i can clear See he fits in the first category(to much
smoke around his person) How can i tell? hmm. i been in this
business so many years, i have done this kind of deals so many times so
please believe i know what im talking about
That's the reason why in one post i say,,bring in a good proven Entrepreneur that go for the second reason
ACHIEVEMENT and u will See things will happen, and a good example was
Bill Gates(he will smell FG`s smoke miles away and he don´t need any
kickbacks , he have other goals in life then money in a German bank. And Peace syndrome, please take the last sentence for what it is DIBA I
still think it´s a big waste of resources(people) going on in the
Philippines and the people deserve a better life and a leader that
want to make it happen NOT BIG WORDS like you peace syndrome
Lars a citizen of this planet
""Greeds And garbage are too thick-strewn To be swept up now, or invent Excuses that make them all needs. I just think it will happen, soon.""
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03-15-2008, 12:34 AM |
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mistygaara
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Re: Why blame government for poverty?
people always blame others for their shortcomings and failures. ayaw nilang tangapin na sila ang palpak. lahat ng naging presidente ay pinaaalis nila at parati sinisisi gobyerno sa mga kahinaan nila. puro lazy , ayaw mgwork , gusto libre lahat sagot ng gobyerno lahat, yet ayaw din magbayad ng taxes. i always see in the tv a person being interviewed, ilan ang anak m? "10..." may trabaho kayo? "wala.. " and then? "goberyno ksi natin may problema.. @#$ more reklamo pa!! " this stupid guy just cant accept that he is the one to blame for his failures.
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03-17-2008, 7:20 PM |
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Re: Why blame government for poverty?
As a foreigner living here off and on, i know that the poverty in the philippines, could be better managed, just seeing those kids on the streets, with no clothes begging, is something that should shame all filipinos, The rich filipinos, are that rich because they are corrupts, there is no other way, that you could amass such a fortune , they live in huge houses , have private planes, send all there kids to US university,and pay no tax, thats how the government are to blame, they allow these people to steal from the county, because of there status , it suits the filipinos, the lifestyle they have in manila, is to the obscene, we have all seen them parading around the shopping centres , with there $100,00.00 cars in tow, and they pretend that all is well, but go to tondo, go to the bay area, and see the poverty, see the amount of chlldren , that are dying because they have no medical care, Thats why the government are to blame, they hide this from the world,
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03-18-2008, 5:00 AM |
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blondswede
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Re: Why blame government for poverty?
expat101:As a foreigner living here off and on, i know that the poverty in the philippines, could be better managed, just seeing those kids on the streets, with no clothes begging, is something that should shame all filipinos, The rich filipinos, are that rich because they are corrupts, there is no other way, that you could amass such a fortune , they live in huge houses , have private planes, send all there kids to US university,and pay no tax, thats how the government are to blame, they allow these people to steal from the county, because of there status , it suits the filipinos, the lifestyle they have in manila, is to the obscene, we have all seen them parading around the shopping centres , with there $100,00.00 cars in tow, and they pretend that all is well, but go to tondo, go to the bay area, and see the poverty, see the amount of chlldren , that are dying because they have no medical care, Thats why the government are to blame, they hide this from the world,
So true so true...but in one point wrong,,,those people can´t be Filipinos,,because Filipinos take care of there family and other needed as much they can and afford .. I don´t know who they are,,,but definitive not Pinoys.... As more u hear about the bull sh...t going on everywere in all executive levels,,,,,U GET SICK
""Greeds And garbage are too thick-strewn To be swept up now, or invent Excuses that make them all needs. I just think it will happen, soon.""
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04-27-2008, 11:10 PM |
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Re: Why blame government for poverty?
QUESTION- if not the government, who are we going to blame for rising prices of the basic commodities, lack of quality education, lack of proper medical care,unemployment?
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04-28-2008, 12:14 AM |
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clinton23: QUESTION- if not the government, who are we going to blame for rising prices of the basic commodities, lack of quality education, lack of proper medical care,unemployment?
It's the people's fault daw. Si Juan delaCruz daw ang may kasalanan because they voted this bunch of cretinoids into office. It's also the people's fault that there are no better choices. Choose between the less corrupt or the more corrupt. But did you know there is in fact a better choice? Himagsikan!
Success is not final. Failure is not fatal. It's the courage to continue that counts.
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05-04-2008, 10:27 AM |
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Re: Why blame government for poverty?
palahubug99: clinton23: QUESTION- if not the government, who are we going to blame for rising prices of the basic commodities, lack of quality education, lack of proper medical care,unemployment?
It's the people's fault daw. Si Juan delaCruz daw ang may kasalanan because they voted this bunch of cretinoids into office. It's also the people's fault that there are no better choices. Choose between the less corrupt or the more corrupt. But did you know there is in fact a better choice? Himagsikan!
MALAMIG PA SA BANGKAY ANG MGA MAMAMAYAN, PAPAANONG MAKAPAGHIHIMAGSIK? 
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05-07-2008, 12:13 PM |
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Re: Why blame government for poverty?
clinton23:QUESTION- if not the government, who are we going to blame for rising prices of the basic commodities, lack of quality education, lack of proper medical care,unemployment?
MAYBE, I' LL START BLAMING MY NEIGHBORS FOR ALL OF THESE PROBLEMS? 
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05-14-2008, 9:49 PM |
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Re: Why blame government for poverty?
Government cannot be directly blamed for poverty. But government policy spells the difference between a better or worse life for its citizens.
Consider the non-confrontational attitude with the Church on the topic of abortion. There is no problem with avoiding the abortion or birth control issue. If Malacanang chooses to dissociate itself from that, at least it should actively promote responsible parenthood. Our population is just too big for our natural resources. This is why we happen to be the largest rice consumer in the world. Moving on to labor, Steven Levitt in his book "Freakonomics" says it quite well: "When there are a lot of people willing and able to do a job, that job generally doesn't pay well. This is one of four meaningful factors that determine a wage. The others are the specialized skills a job requires, the unpleasantness of a job, and the demand for services that the job fulfills". In other words, the chances that a Filipino with an average education will land a high-paying job is close to nil because our mediocre public school system just doesn't give him/her the necessary skills to make a difference.
Of course, the predatory nature of business dictates that whoever is on top of the food chain, i.e. the businessmen/owners, have the alibi that they will close down because of higher wages, which affects their bottom line. Question is: has there been any formal study on the effect of the last DOLE wage order on the reported income of small and medium-sized companies? Has there been any decline in government taxes collected from this sector (which supposedly should have been the most affected by a wage hike)? It appears like the government is in cahoots with business (who supported their coming into office in the first place), at the expense of the lowly worker. But no sympathies from me here. That's just the way capital markets work. Having said that, the government can still make it a lot easier for low-income workers to bring home a bigger ham, in the form of lower taxes, or higher incentives for businessmen, like lower taxes for certain industries, or start-up companies, so their bottom lines trickle down to their workers. Sadly, corporate greed it appears is the name of the day.
National infrastructure is a major government responsibility. But wracked by plunder, the DPWH has consistently been on the top 3 most corrupt. Not surprising, since other countries, some even in the first-world, have been known for kickbacks and hit by scandals. Nevertheless, a government that derives its income from overpriced projects, a lot of them double the price, is a morally bankrupt government. And the tendency of humans to take the easier path to comfort/riches means whoever is under the umbrella of the man in power will follow his tracks - ad nauseam. Needless to say, we have a government like all others. Politicians will always say one thing, and do another. There is and never will be a perfect government, for as long as there are people who feel they are better than their brethren, and unwilling to share their good fortune and help create a better world. If in this country I see the day when the 2% of the population are willing to part with half of the riches they own in this country, I will be the first to welcome Utopia.
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05-15-2008, 8:42 AM |
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Re: Why blame government for poverty?
rockjock: Government cannot be directly blamed for poverty. But government policy spells the difference between a better or worse life for its citizens.
Consider the non-confrontational attitude with the Church on the topic of abortion. There is no problem with avoiding the abortion or birth control issue. If Malacanang chooses to dissociate itself from that, at least it should actively promote responsible parenthood. Our population is just too big for our natural resources. This is why we happen to be the largest rice consumer in the world. Moving on to labor, Steven Levitt in his book "Freakonomics" says it quite well: "When there are a lot of people willing and able to do a job, that job generally doesn't pay well. This is one of four meaningful factors that determine a wage. The others are the specialized skills a job requires, the unpleasantness of a job, and the demand for services that the job fulfills". In other words, the chances that a Filipino with an average education will land a high-paying job is close to nil because our mediocre public school system just doesn't give him/her the necessary skills to make a difference.
Of course, the predatory nature of business dictates that whoever is on top of the food chain, i.e. the businessmen/owners, have the alibi that they will close down because of higher wages, which affects their bottom line. Question is: has there been any formal study on the effect of the last DOLE wage order on the reported income of small and medium-sized companies? Has there been any decline in government taxes collected from this sector (which supposedly should have been the most affected by a wage hike)? It appears like the government is in cahoots with business (who supported their coming into office in the first place), at the expense of the lowly worker. But no sympathies from me here. That's just the way capital markets work. Having said that, the government can still make it a lot easier for low-income workers to bring home a bigger ham, in the form of lower taxes, or higher incentives for businessmen, like lower taxes for certain industries, or start-up companies, so their bottom lines trickle down to their workers. Sadly, corporate greed it appears is the name of the day.
National infrastructure is a major government responsibility. But wracked by plunder, the DPWH has consistently been on the top 3 most corrupt. Not surprising, since other countries, some even in the first-world, have been known for kickbacks and hit by scandals. Nevertheless, a government that derives its income from overpriced projects, a lot of them double the price, is a morally bankrupt government. And the tendency of humans to take the easier path to comfort/riches means whoever is under the umbrella of the man in power will follow his tracks - ad nauseam. Needless to say, we have a government like all others. Politicians will always say one thing, and do another. There is and never will be a perfect government, for as long as there are people who feel they are better than their brethren, and unwilling to share their good fortune and help create a better world. If in this country I see the day when the 2% of the population are willing to part with half of the riches they own in this country, I will be the first to welcome Utopia.
Dang! One of the most sensible responses I have read in a while on this forum. You and I think alike, bro. 
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